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Will the NJSP follow the LAPD?

#3 happened in my town, but they gave me the applicant the letters and let us bring them to the reference to fill out and they let us return them. There was no threatening statements on there either. My police department has been really great! I talked to Evan Nappen’s office yesterday and they said just have patience. If you did everything right, just have patience. They also confirmed that the entire application process must be completed in 60 days, including the superior court part. If not then would be the time to start discussing if there needs to be legal action. So far I think it everyone needs to take a deep breath and be patient. The local PDs are learning just like we are. Side note. We should all be thanking President Trump(the real President that actually won the 2020 election) for making this happen! If it wasnt for him our 2A rights would have been infringed on for the rest of our lives. Greatest President of all time! #FJB #LGB

Good will? LoL. A number of towns are already approving and squared away. This process isn't new, at all. It's just that regular people get to do it now. To say the town has never done it, I doubt it very much. MANY towns are accepting the passing qualifications and processing permits. Why should any towns PD get to simply delay a process? I'm also not sure what guidance they are waiting on? And how long they plan to wait. If the PDs can't get their shit together, it's not mine or yours job to do it for them. So yes, a properly penned letter of intent from a lawyer is typically how you get shit done in this respect. Call up NJ2AS ANJRPC, see if they are willing to help, they literally have written dozens of letters sent to municipalities to get into compliance with FPIDs. They have 60 days to figure it out... 2 months is a pretty long time when they could just call the NJSP, or NJ AG if they really can't figure it out themselves....

A $50 Lesson: Recently, while I was working in the flower beds in my front yard, my neighbors stopped to chat as they returned home from walking their dog. During our friendly conversation, I asked their little girl what she wanted to be when she grew up. She said she wanted to be President someday. Both of her parents, Democratic Party members, were standing there so I asked her, "If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?" She replied, "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people." Her parents beamed with pride! "Wow...what a worthy goal! I said "But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that!" "What do you mean?" she replied. So, I told her, "You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and trim my hedge, and I'll pay you $50. Then you can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house." She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and said, "It doesn't seem fair that I do all the work and give him the money. Why doesn't the homeless guy just come over and do the work, and you can pay him the $50?" I said, "Welcome to the Republican Party." Her parents aren't speaking to me anymore.

This is total nonsense. 1) Police have to qualify with every gun they plan on carrying - both on and off duty. There is a “Significantly Similar” clause in the AG Directive, but a full-size pistol compared to a sub-compact one aren’t significantly similar. Maybe a G17 size to a G19 size would qualify, but not a G26. 2) A shorter barrel doesn’t make it harder to qualify or put you at any disadvantage. That’s all in your head and is completely a software issue and not a hardware one. The G26 is the most mechanically accurate pistol in the Glock 9mm lineup. I have shot a qual course with a Ruger Gen1 LCP .380 and scored 100%, repeatedly. The fundamentals are the fundamentals. 3) Also, there is no rule that says you can’t CCW a G17 if that’s your choice based on what you shoot the best. “Listen to your friend @Mr.Stu. He’s a cool dude.” /Zoolander

Mike Glover, former Army Ranger (& thanks btw to @High Exposure for turning me onto to his channels - they are all very good!) is now doing the "Eli Drill" - (love that measure of respect btw!) As you watch this bonafide special ops guy having to run through the drill a few times himself to get a group he was satisfied with in under 15 seconds... and you SEE with your own eyes just how far that distance is... and you realize that this young 22-year-old kid, without benefit of all the military experience Glover has, under extreme emotional duress, having time only to react rather than think it through, trying to wave innocents out of the way at the same time - holy cow, for me, this video really drove home what phenomenal shooting that really was! I'm amazed. Anyone criticizing this young man's action, like those hosts of The View... well, they're just too stupid - and disrespectful - for words! This guy was a hero in every sense of the word. Eli was the right guy... at the right time... and he saved lives. Honestly? He should get some kind of Presidential civilian honor, but you know that would never happen under this current administration. (85) The Eli Drill - YouTube

Sooo let’s get back on track here! Enough of the peeing in the pool! Within a couple months the vast majority of this forum will be able to conceal carry legally in NJ! No one ever thought this would happen! Positive attitude will get you positive results people! #MAGA #FJB #LGB

Haha.. bitching and facts ? Here are the facts attached. .. Hope you dont claim these are fake documents and that I should a direct letter from respective PDs. LOT of information is sent to ANJRPC "strikeforce". Dont even get me started on that. And apologize for being a dick, but this stuff just boils my blood.

Not sure if you're serious? Local PD has never done this before, so they're working to understand and execute on a new firearms process. They have things temporarily on hold while they work out their issues and your recommendation is to spend hundreds/thousands of dollars (depending on the lawyer) to send threatening letters? How about pausing ans working WITH the police department to smooth out the process. Provide them with as much information as possible and share what other municipalities are doing? Refer them to a contact in a city where permits are being processed and tell them to follow suit? Be respectful and direct them to Nappan and/or other lawyers for reference? IMO waiting an extra 30 days for something that has never been available will go a long way to building good will with your local PD...

I spoke with my car jacker this weekend while being assaulted on the streets of Trenton. He took the basic pistol class.

Here is where we gonna gather various shenanigans pulled by various NJ PDs stalling, delaying and outright intimidating applicants and references alike. Feel free to post if you have any copies of requirements town PDs are forcing, beyond what NJSP packet includes.

The Chief’s statement was the bad guy was “Neutralized” in 15 seconds. To me that means he has “changed shape” and stopped being a threat. Based on photos of the bad guy on the ground and the position of his feet, it looks like he took a CNS hit that shut the lights off.

I know several LEO and they all have to qualify with any and all handguns they want to carry, on and off duty. I have personally qualified with a Glock 26. A good friend carries a P365xl off duty and had to qualify with that too. It is not the gun that makes the difference - it's the nut behind the butt. My Glock 26 will easily shoot 4" groups off hand at 25 yards if I do my part. The dept policy for your relative's department may be different. ETA: @Smokin .50 and @Krdshrk were there when I did it.

I agree, it's a reference to if you lied on the form.... pretty tall order to prove anyway.

Stu. Are you aware that police officers qualify with their service weapon that is most likely a Glock 17 with a 5" barrel? That qual also allows them to carry a small back up or off duty pistol with say a 3" barrel that they don't have to qualify for. . Us civilians are at a distinct disadvantage trying to qual with a 3-3.5" barrel. This info on the police qual for off duty and back up weapons comes from a police relative.

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I wish I had a copy of the FARS questionnaire as a reference for a pistol permit...I believe some of that language was there, or similar. It's a stretch to say that it is meant for intimidation let alone denial....

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Without clear standards as to the course of fire, there are still standards... requiring you to qualify by a single means the PD creates is not IMO legal. There are alternatives spelled out in the law, and the PD should follow the statute.

I think the point was there are no restrictions on carrying loaded magazines, with or without a permit as long as they are 10rnd mags.

Just purchased a hk vp9sk. I rented it at ttc and was able to put 10 shots on target at the furthest distance. Feels amazing in hand. It's my only striker fired pistol and I love it.

“The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step” This decision by SCOTUS was another step in this journey of 1000 miles in NJ. I don't think I said that it should not be allowed to continue unresisted, nor am I brainwashed. What I am trying to indicate is that damage has been done over generations in this state, you cannot flip a switch and magically change it. It is a process, sometimes calm, sometimes turbulent. By you own admission your over 70...you should know that...

So we should play nice or else .. from the very PDs we are supposed to build "alliance" with ? Qualifiers are as clear as they ever can be. They even have damn names to them HQC-1. There is a published PDF we all shared that clearly describes that course of fires is for what. There is even clearly spelled out RPO, less stringent than HQC-1. You want to know what PDs are pulling ? Here is some directly from first hand experience posted on FB Pages: 1. Refusing to take application entirely claiming they dont have guidance - Massive Lie. 2. Records Staff disappeared completely without even lights on during working hours . 3. Sending reference letters, again, despite the actual application clearly has certification. 4. Demanding reference letters be notatized. 5. MANDATING social security number and drivers license number from references. Or else, application aint moving 6. THREATENING language in reference letters about getting jammed up if you are not truthful (how the F are you supposed to know someone so deeply that even PDs cannot dig dirt up ) 7. Atleast one PD, are doing their own testing. Treating their own tax payers like children and only way to get qualification is to show up to the PD range and shoot quals. If you fail Quals 3 times, you ain't getting permit at all. This BS is not the mark of good police departments. And no one should be laying low and play ball .. and fear for "or else". There is MORE from Superior Courts. Mr. Cheeseman (the guy with bunch of denials and cases) posted on FB saying once they even dug up "unpaid dog license". So yeah, thats the kinda shit they are pulling.

Yes, but he is the exception not the rule. In my prime I wouldn't hesitate to take a 50 yd headshot. Not now as I know my limitations.

Just a thought for those that say the HQC1 qualification CoF is too stringent and that nobody should be shooting more than 15 yards in an SD situation...if you miss all 12 shots at 25 yards in HQC1, you can still pass!

That’s what strikeforce is for. Contact ANJRPC and they can get the ball rolling.

While it's true you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, it is also true this is not a new process. We are always told ignorance of the law is no excuse. Just because many PD's may have never had to do this much before, it is still a well established law. If they can't figure it out in 60 days, the law clearly states the application is approved unless the applicant agrees to an extension on writing.

And then we have a 22yo with no formal training hitting 8/10 at 40 yards under stress.

I would advise patience. I have several non resident permits and everyone took a month or so to process, some longer. There’s a bureaucratic process that needs to happen and in this case it is new for all involved. I personally think that it will take somewhere between 4 to six weeks. My application has been in for a little over lof two weeks, PD have received the prints, references have been contacted and they sent the letters back… things are moving, not as fas as we would like it but moving. I’m trying to nit thing too much about it, go to the range, shoot a match and get a nice carry rig while you wait

Many people mentioned or recommended the book Lights Out by Ted Koppel. I recently listened to that on an RV trip and it certainly paints the picture that extended power outage is certainly very possible. It mentioned a book called One Second After by William R. Forstchen several times. I just finished listening to that book and found it to be much more thought provoking in regard to prepping. It does a very good job of going through a SHTF situation, in this case an extended power outage caused by a multipronged EMP attack that wipes out the entire US National grid. It details what realistically might happen, how people would likely behave, and what situations you can quickly find yourself in, and chronicles it as it progressively gets worse. About a 1/4 the way through I realized I should take notes about things I could do to prepare. Wish I had started earlier. I highly recommend you read or listen to it (and take notes). It is available on Book, Kindle and Audible. It is also available for free on YouTube.

Not a bad demo, except it would have been better if he didn't sweep his support hand with the muzzle every time he put the gun back in the holster.

Really? They went 'free'.... Did you all expect that towns and local PD's, that have no history in this stuff, where there is no guidance no precedent per se ....to just rubber stamp stuff and pass it along......or better yet that there would be no hiccups? Ya'll can't be that naive to think there would be no difference town to town etc...cmon... lol

This thread needs bullpup pics.

Ok so I complete my Course at shooters. It cost $90. They were excellent there. My local PD also said they were a great place to take the qualification, so felt more comfortable with me using them. I dropped off my application, was fingerprinted and had my second reference documents all completed on 7/5. My references were all contacted as well by phone. On Monday 7/18, I received an email saying I was approved by the county and they have mailed it to the superior court of ocean county. They told me I was the first person in the county to complete everything and for me to keep them posted on next steps as they are also unsure. I have also called the superior court to try to find out what next steps are but no one there knows who the judge approving them is. Does anyone happen to know who the judge is at the superior court of ocean county that approves them? I keep reading the judge can sit on them indefinitely which is very disappointing. Thanks

Or full HEAT rig.

I wonder how the criminals have been handling all these concerns all these years. Gun carry laws NJ: There's more to it than the permit (njherald.com)

Griz beat me to it. They have options that you can turn on and off as desired, and the fees are pro rated for the time that you use them. I like that there is no limit to coverage, or access to an actual lawyer, not an answering service. 24/7/365.

I use US Law Shield.

I carry a G19 in AIWB holster. Even in the hot weather wearing light clothing it works for me.