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I have no social media. I used to but realized is was a complete waste of time. I think everyone should get rid of it. All it does is make aholes like zuckerberg rich so they can spew there political BS at will along with censor anyone who they dont agree with, Wait ,this is social media lol. ok so i lied i have this

I lost all my social media accounts in a tragic boating accident

Hoagies are for Philly Phaggots

It's never a "Meatball Hoagie" or "Chicken Parm Hoagie" - it's always Sub.

......all this BS in the last 50 pages is why Constitutional Carry is so important....OMO.

I'm not saying anyone has a duty to protect anyone else. I can only speak to my own ideals. It is established that police have no duty to protect. As a society, when our bonds to each other are strong, then the social fabric is strong. That is why the cliche is smaller towns are more likely to help their fellow man then big dense cities. I am not telling anyone what they should do in the circumstance of an active shooter and no cops are around. What I know is if my family is at a mall and I'm not there, I damn sure hope a good guy with a gun makes an attempt to save my family if they are in direct danger. Anyone in the same situation would presumably want the same. Is there the possibility they hit the wrong person? Sure. But who here, would actually choose the alternative of "Id rather my family die than risk a good guy with a gun hitting them by accident"? Maybe its the Marine in me talking, but if I'm the only one around that can help. I don't know if I can walk away. I wouldn't judge anyone for choosing differently (unless it is literally their job... looking at you Uvalde)

Don't mean to further derail original topic, but having the mindset of being morally obligated to be a vigilante is a very dangerous position to take... those with that approach should have gone the route of LEO, as opposed to civilian with a carry permit. (And as mentioned, even LEO are not obligated to protect you). Having a permit to carry is to protect yourself from life threatening situations involving yourself and your family. The permit does not imply you now have a duty to save others. If the stars align and you have the brief moment where your backstop is safe and you may be able to takedown an active shooter (i.e. indiana), this is the extreme exception.. not the rule. Pulling out your firearm with intention on firing it, should be the absolute last resort behind getting you and your family to safety. I hope the large majority of us do not walk around thinking we are going to save the day, or hunt down the active shooter in walmart. Protect yourself and don't try to be a hero unless you have no other choice.

I use sub (not submarine) and hoagie pretty much interchangeably. I never use hero or grinder. And I just call a cheese steak a cheese steak.

Not my job..... they should have armed themselves.... My job, is not to be a good samaritan,, when the very people you would likely try to 'protect' will try to have a payday, on YOU.... I carry to protect myself and my wife when we are together...my responsibilities stop there.... I am not a commando, I am not a Leo, I am not a sheepdog for anyone but my children and wife...maybe not a popular stance but hey it works for me. They are paid and trained to do that...you we arent....

New video from Carry Trainer with some holster and belt recommendations. Great discussion on how to setup for carry:

After watching this, I think that If we need to take a test to get a gun, and pay a fee, the same should be true for voting.

What went down in Indiana went perfectly for the good guy. What if one of his shots hit Mary Jones pushing her baby carriage?

Gonna give them a shout tomorrow and see what they say about this.. will report back

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This is not a joke....you have to understand that a jury of your peers here, is not the same as others. Do you have faith that a jury in the state of NJ that is vehemently anti gun and liberal, will give you the same consideration - as say another state that has a deep firearms tradition? Think about that, you want some soccer mom karen from Bergenfield, or some ken from princeton deciding your fate? To them you are guilty as the day as long, just for exercising your right.... All these things need to be thought about...before your start that gun on for the day.....because if you draw it your life IS changed forever. Again it's NJ....

So go qualify with any and all pistols you decide to carry, and keep a copy of the certification letters. Just because they're not listed on your permit doesn't mean you never qualified with them.

Part of carrying is being prepared and making the good decisions. There is what is right and there is real life. In a perfect world they should coincide. Many defense attorneys agree, if the gun you used is the one you qualified with it is one less thing for the prosecutor to use against you. I get it, "It shouldnt matter! There is nothing in the law that says I can't use another gun" and I wholeheartedly agree. But in the spirit of covering your bases and looking out for all angles of attack while going about your life, the same could be said about legally, are you making the prosecutors job easier or harder to convince a jury (that is ignorant of firearms) of your guilt? If you want to be that test case, no one is stopping you, and you could walk away unscathed, if its worth the risk to you, then live your life, carry how you like. So for me, I will only carry what I qualified with. Because after seeing the Rittenhouse trial and seeing the bullshit the prosecutor will fling at you, itll be one less thing to worry about. It also helps I qualified with three guns, so I have options, lol

https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/sig-sauer-9mm-115gr-elite-ball-fmj-product-warning-and-recall-notice NEWINGTON, N.H., (August 22, 2022): SIG SAUER has determined that portions of Lot No. JDAR0815 of SIG SAUER 9MM, 115gr, Elite Ball, FMJ (SKU E9MMB1-50), may have powder charge variations that could result in a bullet remaining in the barrel (i.e., a bullet-in-bore obstruction). Firing a subsequent bullet into a bore obstruction could cause firearm damage, rendering the firearm inoperable and subjecting the shooter and bystanders to a risk of serious personal injury. Ammunition from this lot should be removed from use immediately and segregated from other ammunition until it can be returned to SIG SAUER. DO NOT USE LOT NUMBER: JDAR0815

It's a Sub. A Grinder is a Sub with Cole Slaw replacing the lettuce, tomato, onions, etc. A Cheese Steak Sub is a Cheese Steak with Lettuce, tomato, onion, etc. A Hoagie is what you get from WaWa during Hoagiefest. Nobody calls them Heros.

I'll fight. I am not going to rollover. Let the chips fall where they may. I will have at least fought for what i believe in. There is something to be said for standing your ground and not caving in on your beliefs, especially when it come to my constitutional rights

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Nobody under 80 calls 'em grinders anymore. On rare occasion, I would hear my visiting NY relatives call em Heroes. But nothing sandwich related irks me more than calling a sub a hoagie. Not even northtards calling pork roll ham.

I posted an update in the other thread. Will paste it here and update going forward. I’ve heard nothing further along in the process anywhere. I check Facebook, Reddit, and here . “Money order was cashed yesterday. Hopefully I’ll have a permit soon. Burlington county Got packet from PD 7/5. Qualified 7/6 at rtsp. Prints done and app turned in 7/7. Police sat on for two weeks. Detective called references and employer 8/3. Sent to superior court 8/5. Forwarded to county prosecutor 8/15. Money order cashed 8/17. Will update when necessary. Hopefully sooner than later.”

What the fuck is a hoagie? Grinder....isn't that some kinda app ? It will always be a hero....but I aint from jersey .....don't go to Brooklyn and try to order that shit.... Lol Grinder too?

Reached out to US LawShield. Was told I will hear back from one of their attorneys with 24 to 72 hours. Will relay info here right after I hear from them.

Mikes Subs on Arnold Ave in Pt Pleasant always had the best subs...and they still do.

Cheese Steak Hoagie was my goto. Open your mind to the beautiful things in life.

I already told my wife, my priority is the safety of our family. If there is a way to get my family to safety I'm taking it. If my family is safe and shots are still going off, with no cops in sight? She's accepted that I might not be able to stand by.

BCM basically stopped making guns. I mean go look for one on their site. Of their resellers, I haven't seen one in stock in YEARS. Like pre-panic years. BCM never really made anything. They were an assembler who contracted out to job shops. And a lot of those bigger job shops now sell direct. Which means their primary model for firearms, which was to be slightly cheaper but well constructed got a lot of pressure on it. The reality is that the margin on a charging handle or muzzle device is HUGE. The margin on a barrel you didn't make, a BCG you didn't make, and a receiver you didn't make isn't huge. That makes it hard to keep margin in a fully made gun while under price pressure form the likes of aero precisions, faxon, etc. Which is why you don't see barrels and receivers on their site anymore. They used to cater to the builders from soup to nuts, but not anymore. They sell uppers to the basic assembler, and high margin bits to everyone else. I suspect realty was something along the lines of them having the choice of being a million dollar business that has half a million in profit, or be a two million dollar business that has 400k in profit. Fiddle with those numbers until they are scaled right. I'm guessing there will be no stock on full guns until prices ramp up again. They would not be the first company to realize that life is simpler and involves more spendable cash making unregulated $70 accessories that cost $10 to make and stuffing them in padded mailers.

Oh...Oh... I know the answer to this one. I remember asking my dad about this when I was a kid. Subs aka submarine sandwiches were called grinders because of shipyard workers. Back in the whatevers, probably the 30's. if you walked by the build yards, there were always sparks flying from all the welding and sanding and GRINDING. The workers were known as "grinders". The sandwiches were very cheap, usually made with tough meat. Sometimes the meat was so tough, it actually was run through a grinder. None the less, they were very popular with the economically challenged shipyard workers (AKA grinders) and were dubbed grinder sandwiches because they were eaten by grinders.

I know a few people that got PA LTCF from Perry County with just their FID. After the initial rush - the PA AG told the Sheriff there to stand down until further guidance. I contacted them again before the Bruen SCOTUS decision and they were still in holding pattern. Now that we are able to get a NJ PTC then I believe they'll use that instead of just FID.

Fingerprints are live-scanned now and saved in electronic files(I've dealt with biometrics for work in the past). Those files absolutely can be stored and re-submitted for checks by NJ, and that may be what happens with FID/PP criminal history checks using your SBI #. However since the law for PTC says they must be taken each time, that is just what we have to do even if they could just be resubmitted from stored files.

Farther away, but Perry county was attempting to issue LTCFs for NJ residents with only a firearms ID card recently. Unless things have changed recently, Centre county has issued them for many years. It has been my understanding that NY residents have been able to obtain them from Pennsylvania.

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I see @GRIZ already commented, but this is my thought as well, hence my question. The Police have no duty to protect you personally, and you have even less of a duty to do so, to protect others. This is a very serious question and I do not know the answer. Part of me does not love my fellow man enough to get involved in something that does not directly affect me or my family.... However, you should ask yourself what you would do and are willing to rosk as well as l war game all these scenarios in your mind.

I was told, by someone who has successfully added a new gun, that the process entailed: making an appointment with court clerk, bringing new photo, qualification letter, and existing carry permit, and they issue you a new permit (with original issue/expire dates) with new gun listed. This was in a county where permit holder had to stand before Judge to get approval for their PTC. YMMV depending where you are, as with 98% of this circus we call NJ.

That's why I qualified with the top 3 guns I shoot the most, lol

I get what youre saying. It may be the least of your concerns...or it might not be. We will never be in full control of the circumstances of defending our lives. But when it comes to qualifications, that is one thing that you DO have control over. And consider you will be judged by a jury of likely ignorant peers. All it might take is for the prosecutor to drill the point "The undisputed facts are that the defendant shot and killed a man with a gun he did not qualify with". Sure to you and me it sounds silly but it could be the one thing that convinces a juror. So again, for me, why do I want to help the prosecutor with "this will be the least of my worries" mentality?

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Oh I was just coming on to post this! By this logic, alcohol and automobile manufacturers need to team up to track reckless and drunk driving. At least their strategy of "let's do everything to bankrupt the firearms industry" is consistent.

Several times.

I have - no issues.

I dont find this muddy at all.. One permit shall be sufficient for all handguns owned by the holder Pretty straightforward right there.... The permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual and legal holder of the permit. The permit to carry a handgun, shall apply only to a handgun that you have ownership of, as the permit holder and owner of said handgun.

Im not certain this qualification will be valid. It doesn't include swinging from flaming trapeze.

Clear as mud, probably because "they" never saw this restored freedom coming.

AFAIK NJ has not adopted the same carry restrictions NY has. I've seen no legislation stating this. Murphy is waiting to see what Hochul gets away with before he moves just as he followed Cuomo's lead during COVID. Murphy has no idea what he's doing aside from party agendas. NY has sensitive and restricted areas. Sensitive areas include bars, entertainment venues, schools, etc. If you have a NY carry permit you can't carry in theses places. If you're carrying under LEOSA you can. The most ridiculous restriction is Times Square (the area to be defined by the mayor). NY has restricted places. These include all places that don't have a "guns welcome" sign. Contrary to the rest of the country that requires a "no guns" sign. The only people that can carry in restricted areas are active NYS LEOs (and Feds who are not subject to state law). If a retired LEO goes into a bodega to buy an empanada that's a felony. Many of the NYS restrictions will be found unconstitutional IMO.. Currently the only places restricted in NJ by statute are courthouses and schools. Murphy feels screwed as the state lost a lawsuit where they didn't fully recognize LEOSA. NJ took the attitude we don't have to recognize Federal law. And they lost.