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You guys are funny. Some of you make grand summations and state emphatically that people are "going down" based on short video clips. In this case the homeowner is likely skating away free and clear from any criminal (and probably civil) charges. A couple of clicks to information on the web will tell you that the daughter called 911 and was on the phone with dispatch WHILE the dude was trying to break in. She is heard saying “Dad, is he trying to kill me?”. As the guy starts ramming the door the father tells him to go away and tells him that he's armed. Dude ignores this and keeps trying to break in. After the door breaks OPEN, homeowner shoots 3 times. A County grand jury voted 8-1 against indicting the homeowner on charges related to the killing, citing the state’s “Stand Your Ground” law. So the big "WHAT IF" it happened in NJ?? Who knows, but SO WHAT???? If you have guns to defend you/your family then that's a situation where you use one. If you think about lawsuits at that point you or your family will likely get hurt.

The cost may not be prohibitive for you or me. However, 2A is a right, not a privilege. Not to mention, some people have an increased need for self-protection. Especially lower income people that have the misfortune of living in high crime areas. Perhaps you and I WANT to exercise our rights but there are plenty that NEED to exercise their right. When the government makes the exercise of a right expensive to do and lengthy (the application) process, that's a violation of our rights. And we all know that the cost, requirements, and application time are active deterrents, and that does make it a violation of our constitutional rights.

That's the primary reason i submitted as early as possible. I didn't think the cost was too prohibitive ($90 for qual, $80 for prints, $50 to NJ treasury, $30 for misc notary/paperwork) so I wanted my local PD to get used to the idea that these would be headed their way. (Truth be told, the clerk who handles firearms work in our town is very professional/organized/efficient, so I have no complaints). If there were very few initial applications it would be easy for jurisdictions to slow-walk the process and make it essentially moot. If there are a LOT of initial applications there will be a lot of "oh shit" moments in the police departments and courts that will force them to make changes, so for those who can spare the time/expense to go through the process, I encourage it. With that said, I don't think anyone HAS to get a carry permit. There are guys at my club who give a LONG list of reasons they're NOT getting a permit whenever the topic comes up. IMO there's no need to justify the decision either way. Hell, I know plenty of people in Florida and Texas who are gun guys but have never carried. Getting one isn't a badge of honor or something that makes you a bigger 2nd Amendment supporter than anyone else, just as not getting one doesn't make you less of a "gun guy".

Jesus. You guys need to get new friends… You are all overthinking things way too much. Anticipate your friend’s attitude and behavior towards you being armed and act accordingly. Consider the kind of party and act accordingly. Is it a rager keg party? Are you solo? Are you with a group of like minded people in a sea of strangers? Is it a quiet dinner party with significant others? Are you looking to hook up? Decide ahead of time if you are going to drink and act accordingly. Just be cool. Don’t overthink it.

Cleaned it up - drop the name calling and derailing - Start another topic on Insurance if you feel like it - don't clog up an existing thread.

ill let my grandfather know when i see him in the next life. He wasn't worried about the purist of today he was more interested in putting food on the table back then . The days of wooden ships and iron men .

Certainly glad I got mine in before the flood. I’m not interested in being an agent of change. I just want to carry.

Joe Biden endorsed this very technique! So it must be good. To quote: "[if] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door." Joe Biden Crimestopper Tip Just blast your shotgun through the door. Of course, Joe has been wrong about every other pronouncement he's made about guns, so perhaps listening to someone smarter would be advised.

Your grandfather was ahead of his time. He optimized a good gun to make it better.

Duty to retreat ends AT your home.

I thought porn was prohibited here? :-)

Fucked around and found out.

Yeah, not sure what's going on, maybe they're another file format mis-named as .jpg's. Since I'm feeling charitable today - converted to .jpg format and uploaded to imgur on OP's behalf: https://imgur.com/AKfENet https://imgur.com/PQBRQN1

I would not leave anything valuable accessable in my vehicle. That includes firearms. I will be mounting a secure lockbox in my vehicle in the event of me having to leave it there.

I watched quickly but I did hear some sort of warning, like, “I have a gun!” Or something like that i feel like shooting through the door was pretty irresponsible bc he couldn’t be sure of his target…but then again what if he was watching the feed from the ring cam live, does that matter?

Boolits in both calibers come up every now and again on the Marlin forum. Mostly from reloaders quitting the hobby or sold off rifles and no longer reload that cal.

I wonder what my 1927 mod94 30-30 is worth now. it was my grandfathers, he shot a boat load of deer with it. has a scope on it. The scope mount is on the side, open sites with slide adjustable rear sight. Would never sell it.

I am very close friends with someone who has a card and applied for a p2p and PCH. Local PD approved both and sent PCH app and sent it to the judge to be issued. If he cancelled it already, he's good. The person I know cancelled his a few days ago.

I never bothered leaving a message, I called the next day and he answered. I dropped my paperwork off 2 days before his vacation and he went on a 3 week vacation. He said he has already dropped off some paperwork at the courthouse for approval. He will be back around the 6th. The detective seemed cool to me.

You can go to "really safe parties" but the only really safe party is one where EVERYONE is armed... You don't know when a drunk will start pounding on the door or some crackhead will crash...

Well it is private property....do you have a duty to inform? If I am going to a home that is having a party, and I think I might need a handgun for self defense at said party, why would I go to the party and put myself in danger in the first place? if they are anything but gun friendly - leave it home

If I have a reason to believe the host wouldn't want me to bring my gun, I'll leave it home. Their house, their rules. Generally I don't see a need to discuss it. Concealed is concealed. But, all the people that would invite me to a party have either already applied or are working on their paperwork now.

Keep your yapper shut and your firearm concealed.

Look's like Nancy got some new brow's

The Ocean County shops I frequent do not ask me anymore, I would expect a place I'm new to would ask, and I have no problem with that.

Worked in a brick and mortar store, pink card holder and keyholder for store, and C&R FFL holder now that retired. If established customer. wanted to see a firearm, No problem. If I never saw a person. FID needed. That would be only requirement. If they could not display FID, No Touchy guns! Lots of wackers out there.

^^^^^ this..... having been a pink card holder and non paid employee...( well if you consider lunch and free dibs and surplus that comes in..lol ) I wouldn't hand a gun to anyone unless I saw and FID.... why? Because if they had an FID I was at least assured they had 'some' background in firearms...and weren't some wierd yahoo.... And if you looked like a tool...I just said no.... Its my discretion and not your right....

Wow. Gas is almost like free. Thanks fjb

1. NJ's is still in effect...for now. Lawsuit has been initiated. 2. Illegal in NJ. Federally cannot be sold with a jig kit (per my understanding) and has been challenged in Fed court. 3. I just bought 2000 rounds, so I'll let you know if I get a visit. 4. Yes 5. Not in NJ, yet. Stay tuned.

Oh really? Might want to read article 3.