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Per discussion above, I wouldn't violate the Judges order - no carry while driving. It isn't going to last long given the recent SP ruling...And we have no indication (at this time) it is coming from the executive branch/AG/NJSTers because it has only been sighted in Ocean and Monmouth (2 verified sample only (i think)...More likely the 2 Judges are activists judges. We've waited so long to get to this point, why get a violation when you can wait just a little longer. That restriction is so outlandish it will fall apart from its own weight, imo. The Strikforce Lawyer e-mailed me stating that they are already aware and "on it".

Football season oldie The Husband and Wife were getting ready to go to bed, as they laid there the husband got some gas pains and let go a fart, the wife asked what was that ..? The husband responded we are palying fart foot ball and the score is 7-0 , the wife later passed a fart and said score in 7-7 tie ... The husband got up and walked around, laid back down and let go another fart, said to his wife 14-7 , I'm winning ... The wife pushed all she could and let go another fart, said to her husband score now 14-14, little while later the wife let go a little tiny fart, she said Field goal , 17-14 ... The husband pushed and finally let out a juicy fart with chunks in it, the wife asks what the hell is that , husband says 1/2 time change sides.

The qual certificate from Shooters states that instruction was provided on deadly force.

Love all the other memes, but what case was this?

Considering you could be charged and convicted, people have, with DWI by simply sitting or even sleeping in a parked car. I wouldn't put it past an anti2a prosecutor to use the same precedent.

Unfortunately we have the COMPLETE polar opposite.

In normal world you'd be correct but we're in Gov Murphy clown world. They specifically went back and amended the law to disinclude graves acts. Get charged with firearm offenses sit in jail till trial Directive #08-22 - Criminal Justice Reform - (1) Amended by L. 2022, c. 43 to Address Graves Act Offenses; (2) Amendments to Court Rule 3:4A(b)(5); Changes to the Decision-Making Framework (DMF) (njcourts.gov)

Well on the positive side, NJs bail reform costs you nothing and you wouldn't have to wait in jail for the outcome.

We shouldn't even entertain the idea of accepting that restriction!

Update to Morris County. (Mendham) 7/7(?): Dropped completed packet to Detective @ July 7 7/20: Identogo appointment, confirmed with local PD by email 8/30: Money order cashed (Permit and court order signed on 8/30) 9/08: Received call from, and picked up permit from local PD PD noted that it is a "Carry Permit", (either concealed and open) "No Restrictions", "See Court Order" Court Order includes the Model and Serial #'s Signed by The Honorable Michael E. Hubner, J.S.C.

Didn't see this posted, thought it would be a current topic. Maybe we will see if the chosen judges are for real. Hoping for the best https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/breaking-supreme-court-takes-first-2a-case-in-a-decade/

Carry has never been allowed in NJ so we can make up hundreds of scenarios where nothing is specifically documented. People can go crazy with scenario after scenario, but they're all imaginary at this point. Bottom line, BE AN ADULT and use your brain. If you're unsure about the legality of bringing your pistol somewhere then either leave it home or don't make the trip. If you're concerned about someone seeing you holster up after riding your motorcycle to the middle of a busy shopping center, then don't go.

https://www.rtsponline.com/use-of-force-training/?mc_cid=fc7e98a0ca&mc_eid=ead8b9d474

food for thought (no pun intended) ... looking at the ingredients it's a basic BBQ plus blueberries - maybe sub cranberries and because they're tart, not so much, maybe 1 cup?

also, just to maybe help you out...check out the Stoeger STR-9sc for less than half the price of that kimber.

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I'll ask again, when you load/unload in a parking lot and some mom's demand action chick calls 911 what then? If we're going along with this, then understand that it is a catch-22. Break one law in lieu of breaking another. They're going to get us, every single one, and that's what this restriction is designed to do. You can't prove otherwise.

With our revolving door justice system Criminals plead out and their gun charges are dropped. And they walk out the front door to commit crimes all over again.

That directive is SOME Crock of Shit! This is what we pay these assholes for? Coming up with ways to keep people OUT of jail? This state sucks the big one.

Its Sad we don't have a Real governor like Ron DeSantis. Sorry I posted this in the wrong forum

Bruen said state cannot require justifiable need to get a carry permit. Bruen also said that if the Second Amendment is implicated by a law the court must see if the law passes muster under the text of the Second Amendment and the history of gun regulation during the time the Second Amendment and the Fourteenth Amendments were ratified. A Judge could analyze the text and the history and determine that carry permits restrict to no carry in a car was Constitutional. The judge might be found wrong on appeal but not in contempt of the Supreme Court.

Update: After emailing the chief last night and getting his response immediately, sure enough the head of the investigations department called me at 8:30am. He apologized for about 30 minutes, saying that he had taken over the role just 6 weeks ago, these processes were complicated and he wasn't quite up to speed, and that he absolutely made mistakes in processing my paperwork causing the delay. He actually made me feel guilty for escalating it by the end. He promised to bring the approved paperwork to the courthouse himself by the end of the day today. I told him that since 60 days was the law and he was beyond that, I was going to come down and arrest him. We had a laugh but he was truly apologetic and completely understood my concern that at any moment all of the rules can change and shaft me out of lots of money and effort. So NOW; my files are presumably at the courthouse and we shall see what happens. He said he was going to put a note on my file that said he unintentionally delayed it and would they please advance it quickly. We shall see, Hudson county isn't done with me yet.

Of course they will be challenged and they might eventually be held to violate the Second Amendment In the meantime, anyone nabbed for violating those restrictions will be in a world of hurt

I don't know but I should have asked Det. G. I didn't think of it at the time. Thank you! I'm still in a pleasant state of amazement.

IIRC the statute says that the judge can put any restrictions on the permit that the judge thinks appropriate. If true, only violate the judge’s restrictions if you are okay with three hots and a cot and all that goes with a felony conviction.

Which just goes to the bigger problem, shouldn’t have to list any serial numbers on your permit, completing the requirements to get the permit should be enough. your cars registration isn’t listed on your drivers license, you can drive any make or model after you passed the drivers test. and driving isn’t t even a right…it’s a privilege. If you have a CCW and your carrying someone else’s gun…and you use it, you and the owner of the gun have even bigger problems.

You say that - but you never know. https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/surprise-shooting-gunfire-at-home-leaves-1-person-dead-several-injured The full story here as told by his wife: https://www.gofundme.com/f/9qtqga-raul-mendez

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I had one of those in my Wrangler for years. Great product that lasted 15+ years with daily use.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything bad. My references were never contacted and I have my permit.

Shenanigans. I have been carrying a gun daily for 20 years now. I used to conceal a G35 with a magwell and X300U all year (IWB at 4:00) - in summer with nothing more that shorts and a T shirt and I’m not a big guy. It’s all about choices in clothing, belts, and holsters. Now I primarily carry a G19 with optic and light AIWB all day, every day, and can conceal it under nothing more than t-shirt with no issues. The G19, IMO, is probably the perfect sized carry gun. I also have a G48 MOS with optic and light that I have started carrying more often. So far its been great. It may take over as the perfect carry choice for me - but realistically, there is really no appreciable difference between the G19 and the G48 in regards to how it feels to carry and how easy it is conceal. At the end of the day, bad guys carry full-size guns all the time. There is no reason, outside of a lack of experience/knowledge or plain laziness, why good guys can’t do the same thing. Stop overthinking things and make smart choices. It’s really quite simple. Carry guns should be measured against these 5 criteria. In order of most to least important: • Reliability • Caliber • Personal ability/How well you shoot it • Capacity • Overall size Find a reliable firearm from a reputable manufacturer, chambered in an effective self-defense caliber, that you shoot well enough to bet your life on, and has the max capacity you are legally allowed to carry. Then figure out how to conceal it.

Does anyone here have Life ins? Do you have a switch to turn it on or off? Does it only activate in areas where you may or could die? Is it only used part time? Pretty futile discussion if ya ask me. If we could all see into the future as to when and where you would need deadly force to defend your self. You wouldn't need to defend yerself cuz you would avoid such an encounter. So if you carry in a manner where only when you think you need it, ya might just get yerself in a situation where ya say I wish I had...

You should go into comedy! In the past I've said the same thing when schools want to do random student drug testing... yeah, sure, if you also randomly test the staff, which would, of course, never fly.

Do they collect social media accounts for last three years of NYPD cops ? How about interviewing NYPD families every year to ensure no one is beating their wives ?

Just thinking out loud - if "good cause"-type laws are found unconstitutional, of course NJ will look to still restrict the right as much as possible within the confines of the decision; they likely wouldn't survive a lawsuit challenging them, but they would still take time to get repealed. Possibilities: - Onerous fees ("$5,000 permit fee, renewable every 6 months") - Onerous training requirement ($1,000 concealed carry course requirement, only approved class is held in Cape May on the 2nd Wednesday of every other month, capacity limited to 5) - Exclusions on allowed carry places (Not within 10,000 feet of any school or childcare facility, state or federal government office or facility, place of worship, medical facility, business that sells alcohol, public park, sports or recreation facility, property owned by a public utility, etc. etc. etc.) - Restriction on type/number of firearm allowed to be carried (only specifically registered 11 shot revolvers chambered in 8mm Nambu) -NJ redefines "carry" as "must be concealed carry" and sets harsh penalties for the carrier/bounties for snitches if the carrier is discovered in public. I'm considering getting a carry application queued up to submit immediately after a decision, if the decision is "good cause laws are unconstitutional". It might actually sail through before NJ can react fast enough to come up with another way to restrict it.

Being a glass half full kind of guy I'm thinking that the NY "law" falls. That means the rest of the nanny states are left scrambling to try and figure out another scheme, be it licensing costs, training requirements, or some such nonsense. Either way, they already see the writing on the wall which is why Feinstein is cooking up another " assault weapons ban."

When offense is followed by... more offense. D. Scott @eclipsethis2003 on Twitter: "Chicago, West Garfield Park neighborhood. Man sucker punches a man from behind. Man pulls gun and blows him away. https://t.co/kczPBx0GMH" / Twitter

The fallout continues: Battle of Plattsburgh reenactments halted by gun legislation (yahoo.com)