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I just wanna know if @Variant's grandma will also knit me a holster? Sorry. aboutthatthreadderailmenttho?

Thats exactly it stu. They’re just playing with us. Because they can. And theres no backlog. By the time it comes before them. All the work is done already. Yes all they have to do is sign it. Just playing games with us and stalling to figure out a way for us not to get the ptc.

Judges that are refusing to sign permits need to shit or get off the pot. Don't want to do your job? Resign. Don't like the law and can't bring yourself to carry it out? Resign. Don't want to adhere to your oath to uphold the Constitution? Resign. How long does it take for a judge to write their name on a piece of card stock? There is no excuse for a backlog.

I think they are looking for advice on how to restrict civilian conceal carry holders to the fullest extent possible, they are not looking for advice on how to streamline the process of issuing permits.

Was shooting some clays at the wma and coincidentally ran into you guys. Was invited to shoot, and had a great time! Hope to do it again!

If you all haven’t seen it yet. Eric saperstein wrote an article that cnjo put out. Just saw it on cnjfo Facebook. I was curious where were at in mercer cty with permits. He wrote that mercer courts put a stay on signing off on any permits until they get guidance on how to handle it. What a joke. How you handle it is take the judges out of it. There’s nothing for them to rule on. 90% or more of the process is unconstitutional in nj.

I am at the Evan Nappen CCW seminar right now. I was very wrong. He said the Ocean County restrictions are very real. He also said they are actively fighting this and he expects to hear some positive news for us in the next week to two weeks. My friend did not get his permit yet through Ocean County. Per the courts they said he should get it this week. Will keep you all posted as soon as he receives it.

You have to keep up with this one...This is a change in NJ from the dogma's which have existed for over 100 years. It is natural that there is a lot of opinion and speculation given what we are experiencing with the permit-process. Granted, if you are just jumping in you have some catching up to do. In July folks started submitting their applications, fast forward, now we the actual permits (some with some without restrictions) are just starting to trickle out, so naturally for those of us who started in July, we are interested in this phase at the moment most. Overall, this thread has been very useful and consistent with the intention in the thread title (obviously some exceptions like any thread on the internet), and at the moment one of the few venues to collect the pseudo-facts. I say pseudo because it is still very dynamic and each county is spinning their own "scent" on the process (some consistent with the SC-ruling, some not so much). And as always, you can always ask specific questions, folks here in this thread have been very helpful, if the answer to your question is known I am sure someone will answer it for you.

Will not happen. A lot of us have non-resident permits from other states and have spent years carrying whenever we aren't at home. Nobody will ever notice that you're carrying unless you're making it really obvious. Lots of stuff can make a bump in your clothing. The first time you do it, you're sure everyone knows. One out of 20 adults in the US has a carry permit. Every time you're out of state, you're surrounded by people carrying guns. I bet you never noticed either.

NJ Handgun Carry Permit Application Experience 77 pages. By my estimate 1/2 on laws and opinions, 1/2 on actual application experience.

Great time today! Thanks for organizing and putting out the invite Scorp’! Heres a few random pics.. always great to get some younger and newer shooters in the mix…. And us old guys who can’t miss with those fancy long barreled guns. We need to be challenged so why not bust out with some tactical and shockwave guns to dust some clays! Now that was a challenge!

No worries. I took my own photos on my phone and used an online service called makepassportphoto.com. They charged $2.99 to format the pictures correctly at 1.5” x 1.5”. I took those files and emailed them to Walgreens and printed them for .80 cents. Easy peasy.

No issues at all. My PD is very good with firearms applications in general. Pistol permits come back in less than two weeks. The staff there couldn’t be more helpful and friendly.

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I qualified at Reloaderz. At the time it was $106 with member discount. It has since gone up to $213.25 for non members.

Bergen county is issuing permits and is one of the better counties. As long as your PD submits the applications to the court the Judge will sign and issue the permit. The only restrictions are the pistols that you qualified with are listed on the rear of the permit itself. No court orders. I received my PTC on 9/2. Application submitted to PD on 7/21.

I was just poking the bear about derailment. You guys are arguing 2 different points from here. There is no law for holster. Yes it might be frowned upon or prosecutor may use against you in court if you use a tube sock, but they'll also try to use everything they can possibly twist against you, so.. kydex.

My grandma doesn’t knit, but she could bake up Kydex with the best of them As far as the derailment, I still want to go to the bottom of this. The discussion was about removing a firearm from your person and locking it in a box in your vehicle. That is when Rambo very affirmatively said “the firearm MUST be in a holster”. I don’t believe that is true in any respect, and I would like to give him a chance to prove his assertion.

I think there might be some confusion here. My post was in direct reply to the gentleman saying “the firearm MUST be in a holster”. His emphasis on “must”. I’m asking the gentleman to tell us what law requires that. I’d also like to know the definition of what a holster actually is. Can I call my pocket a holster? Can grandma knit me a holster? What would satisfy this law that he is talking about?

I think the thought process of why the car carry is so important is because if they don't nip it in the bud immediately the counties that aren't issuing will begin issuing with the same restriction. Then we have an even bigger issue, while I feel bad for residents of the counties not getting their PCH promptly I would rather see you wait a bit rather then get a basically useless PCH and then have to fight it to get it changed. Just my 2 cents.

Easy. It's because the courts are simply stalling.. the courts have to issue permits at some point.. ANJRPC isn't going to make that happen faster. If they filed a suit, it wouldn't go anywhere for a few months. The state will seek relief from the suit and claim they are "working on it", "these things take time". In the end it will be a massive waste of resources. For now, I don't think enough time has passed to convince another Judge that such a case would hold enough merrit.

The whole premise is BS. If the permit is void while travelling in a vehicle, the gun owner is bound by the exemptions in the law. Therefore, merely driving to this fictional grocery store with an unloaded gun in the trunk with the intention of carrying it after arriving is a felony. The grocery store is not an exempt location.

Glad you enjoyed hanging out with us. you are welcome to join any time. Just keep an eye out for the notifications.

Got mine in Manchester(Ocean County). No restrictions on the permit. submitted ppwk and prints on 7/5 picked up permit on 8/16.

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I have been following this very closely. Hillsborough where I live has received several dozen carry permit applications. AFAIK no carry permits have been issued in Somerset County NJ so far. A bit of information that has trickled in says that Somerset will only sign off on a very few permits each month. This could change but the system of putting the decision before the judge is causing a huge backlog of permits to be issued and I am not optimistic that completion can be done in an expeditious manner. My guess is that it may be months before you see your permit come through but I hope that I am wrong about this..

There's 78 pages of comments in which 3 are useful. How far back do I need to go for that answer?

It means they're Democrats.

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Some people make striker fired pistols out to be the best thing since sliced bread. They're Not. Everyone has their own opinions and preferences. Too many people on this board feel obligated to belittle the opinions of others and push their own opinions. Sounds an awful lot like another group of people we all know

THANK YOU !!!!! This thread actually started off being very helpful, but it totally derailed along the way. One shouldn’t have to weed through opinions just to get some actual facts.

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I'll take it. Thank you!

Meh. Been carrying a Glock or a Zev AIWB for 3+ years now. Is your dick pulling the trigger? If the gun is in a good holster not sure it makes any difference.

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I don't cower in fear either but I've been in some situations where having a firearm would have made me feel a hell of a lot better. Especially at work counting money or selling stuff on craigslist and whatever. I don't understand why anyone would carry a gun "sometimes" or "when I feel like it". The whole point is to carry it at all times. I mean, to each their own and you're free to do whatever you want, but that's like saying you'll wear your seatbelt sometimes.

That's more to do with operator error, than a gun issue. Relying on a manual safety to save you from incorrect gun/holster manipulation is not the answer, IMO.

The point is not about fear when not carrying a pistol. So when you feel it's necessary how will you go about loading and unloading in public "without breaking the law"? Maybe you can share with the class a safe way of obeying the law when you feel "it's necessary" to carry when you cannot carry when being in a motor vehicle. What is your plan? Also, I do not know what you mean when you say when you "feel it's necessary". Do you have a crystal ball or are you implying that when you may be in a bad area? If that's the case, just don't go if you feel there may be trouble. Your comment on "Being able to carry a pistol doesn't change my life at all" says it all. If and when someone is carrying a pistol it changes everything. If you don't know that then you should not be carrying.

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Interesting..... By ignoring the direction of the SCOTUS (provided via Bruen), isn't this court in contempt of the Supreme Court?

Well on the positive side, NJs bail reform costs you nothing and you wouldn't have to wait in jail for the outcome.

You say that - but you never know. https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/surprise-shooting-gunfire-at-home-leaves-1-person-dead-several-injured The full story here as told by his wife: https://www.gofundme.com/f/9qtqga-raul-mendez

Just taking a guess, but the files may be too large. They have to be under 26Mb. If it is possible, set the camera to a lower resolution, that will crunch the image down to something manageable. Most of the photos I post are no larger than 2 to 5 mb

I submitted everything 7/27/22 I figure 9/15, but I now feel it may be sooner. Ocean County conservative majority. But you never know....