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9/29 deptford township Gloucester county. Permit in hand! Restricted to guns qualified with. Can amend order anytime by mailing in new quals.

Some ppl seem to be ok with court order restrictions... Unsure why. I find it unacceptable.

Got mine today, Fellas. First and only in Burlington County. Also specifies the gun I qualified with on court order. Already sent everything to strikeforce.

My permit has completed its tour of north Jersey and is now sitting quietly in my wallet. I'll post pictures when I have scanned them, but it looks just like all the others. I'm confused that under restrictions, 'None' and 'See Court Order' are both checked. The court order lists the guns I qualified with and states I can only carry those guns. I must have my permit with me while carrying. It also says that I "may amend this permit to include additional handgun(s) by notifying the court in writing, setting forth the make, model and serial number of the additional handgun(s) and demonstrating to the court by way of qualification that (my name) is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of the additional handgun(s), in accordance with N.J.A.C. 13:54-2.4(b)" Finally, it says "any list of places where the carrying of firearms shall not be allowed, which is enacted by statute or regulation, shall be incorporated into this Order by law." There is nothing about Hornady Critical Duty that is poor performance. That's what I'm carrying.

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Seems like someone ended up on the wrong forum lol but to answer your multiple rhetorical questions….yes to all and “reasonable limits” are a means to restrict and deny inalienable rights

The limits need to be consistent and set by the legislature, not arbitrarily by a judge.

NJ is not a duty to inform state - keep it concealed, keep it quiet...

Nj permit mess

Any consistent with the guidelines set out in Bruen.

What if when you got your driver's license, they told you that you can only drive the car that you got tested in? You telling me that it's okay to drive any car because you have a license because you showed you know how to drive, but when you go to show that you know how to handle gun they tell you you can only handle that one?

NJ gun laws are ALWAYS written unclear so the state has the flexibility to do whatever they want.... And unfortunately the benefit of a doubt is never given to the people. Everything about NJ gun law is completely backwards, and I mean everything!

Hornady retains the primary duty ammo contract. I did have some trouble in finding what the micro-service contract went to. From another website: According to Federal, the new award will keep 35,000 employees trained and ready for duty. Federal and Speer were the only brands to receive awards in all four ammunition categories—Service (full-size), Service (micro), Reduced-Lead Training, and Frangible. Federal and Speer were the primary winners for the training and frangible round contracts and also received secondary designations for the full-size and micro-service rounds. Either way, the FBI testing protocol, while exhaustive in its requirements, doesn't necessarily equate to better performance in your average SD scenario. I'm pretty certain that any of the popular HP bullets (Gold Dot, HST, Critical Defense, Critical Duty, Ranger, etc.) will do equally well. One only has to look at the everchanging duty handguns to know that criteria can be very vague.

The Statutes are the laws voted on by our elected representatives. The Administrative Codes are where Democrat officials, like the Democrat courts, get to do what they want.

As much as it sucks that NJ bans conventional hollow points, critical defense and critical duty are better anyway. Critical defense will be in my short barreled EDC and duty in a longer full size.

I would carry it. Also, it is used by one of the biggest agencies that actually does test the ammo they issue - it is the current duty ammo for the FBI.

A right delayed is a right denied.

That is what is called a ghost denial. They're not denying you but just letting it sit there

It's hard to make blanket statements here with agreement to restrictions. There are obviously some that are understandable, court houses, property owner discretion. Not ALL public buildings, transportation, handgun limits etc.

What about if your DL had a restriction that said you can't drive to a restaurant that served alcohol even if you aren't drinking.

Blue wall, so it doesn't matter.

Finally got my permit today. Sucks that I’m the only one. Hopefully it picks up for everyone else soon. Restricted to what I qualified with in addition to the list below.

Right. Not 'where', not 'which model', not 'specific serial number', and definitely not 'not in your vehicle'. 'Types of handguns'? What? Semi vs. full auto? Revolver vs. pistol? Modern vs. antique? SA vs. DA triggers? What the hell does that mean? And BTW, what the hell do they mean by 'purposes'. It's astounding that legislatures comprised of almost entirely lawyers can't write laws that don't conflict and are clear as a bell.

It depends on your definition of cannot. Are people being restricted? Yes. Is it legal under NJ statute? Maybe. Is it permissible under the Second Amendment as informed by history and tradition from the time of the adoption of the Bill of Rights? Almost certainly not.

If you accept this, that is by definition a restriction that is also contrary to the statute governing permits.

I just got the call...my permit is at Washington Station. I'll pick it up tomorrow when I'm working from home. I'm in the office today.

No. Person at ups store did a shitty job at that. Damned paper the printed it on wasn’t even symmetrical lol.

12 Gauge and 20" barrel, holds 7 rounds

So Burlington County is OK with you driving, good. Public transportation as well. "If restricted by the private entity" means if a mall or your church does not prohibit, you're good.

Once you've voted, you can't change it. I'm picking mine up tomorrow morning.

NJS 2C:58-4. Permits to carry handguns a. Scope and duration of authority. Any person who holds a valid permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to this section shall be authorized to carry a handgun in all parts of this State, except as prohibited by section 2C:39-5e. One permit shall be sufficient for all handguns owned by the holder thereof, but the permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual and legal holder of the permit. BUT… NJAC 13:54-2.7 Issuance of a permit to carry a handgun (a) Upon being satisfied of the sufficiency of the application and the fulfillment of the provisions of Chapter 58, Laws of 1979, the judge shall issue a permit. (b) The court may, at its discretion, issue a limited type permit which would restrict the applicant as to the types of handguns he or she may carry and where and for what purposes such handguns may be carried.

Like those of us in NJ, not everyone voted for the clowns but everyone suffers.

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1998? Things are much different now. NICS... is INSTANT.. The only reason it takes long in NJ is because they made it, even then it's only max a couple days at its worst. Pre pandemic, NJ NICS took an hour or two. That argument wouldn't fly anymore if challenged.

I agree that a lawsuit needs to be done right. But the issue is not the background check, it’s that certain county courts are just sitting on the police department approved applications.

I'm not in favor of filing a lawsuit like that now. 1998 Adler v, Livak. Adler sued Franklin Twp. police chief Livak because he took longer than the 30 days required by law to issue a firearms ID card. The court ruled that police departments do not have to issue an FID card within 30 days even though that's what the law says. The reasoning was basically that it takes a long time to do a background check so the police can take longer than 30 days. Issuing carry permits to the masses is brand new in NJ and police departments and the courts are legitimately overwhelmed right now. Eventually, a better system will be put in place and they won't be as overwhelmed. If we file a law suit right now, there is a legitimate argument that they can't do the background checks required by law and also follow the 60 day law. I think we would lose that case based on the "it just takes longer than 60 days" argument. If we lose in court now, case law is established and the 60 day rule is gone forever. If we wait to file a law suit until things calm down and there is no longer a legitimate reason for the delays, we might win the case - although in NJ, it's still a long shot.

On Sep 28, 2022, at 11:16 AM, Kimberly Nye <[email protected]> wrote: Your permit is complete and has been mailed out today to the Toms River PD. They will contact you for pick up. -Kim From: Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:48 PM To: Kimberly Nye <[email protected]> Subject: [External]Permit to Carry CAUTION: This email originated from outside the Judiciary organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hi Kimberly, My application has been with the court since July. Can I get an update please, thanks.

Yea I listened to that podcast too...Anthony leans to the exaggeration side a little...I guess the question he needed to answer for folks who might follow his advise, if you were to withdraw, what is going to change in the future to give an all clear for you to resubmit? Yea, if NJ was to remove the "judge" step that would work, but I don't see that happening for a long time, or maybe never in NJ (as much as I believe it should).

I have no sympathy for the residents of Philadelphia. They elected a pair of clowns, they should have expected a circus.

This is beyond infuriating. If you want to protect residents from gun violence, let us protect ourselves from the criminals perpetuating the violence. I would love to see statistics of legal gun owners committing crimes vs criminals/felons committing crimes with firearms. Or show me cases where someone with a carry permit in NJ committed a crime with their firearm. How many NJ residents have to get gunned downed for their car, or their watch, or xyz before they finally acknowledge who is committing the gun crime in this state. I wish there was a way to meet with these law makers and have rational discussion about their point of view and the citizens point of view. Part of me wants to believe they are being sincere in trying to protect people, and are scared to waiver from their beliefs, as opposed to a power hungry government trying to subdue the public. Maybe that's just wishful thinking. Idk. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, just have to vent my frustration. How don't they get that criminals would think twice or thrice about pulling a gun out on public transportation if they assumed there could several armed citizens on that bus or train. God help NJ.

Well said, 124gr9mm. I personally have a few friends that own, but have never even shot their handguns. The biggest falsehood in the "better shooter" statement is that standing in a port and slow firing at a paper target in any way equals shooting under stress, assault, timer, movement, low light and most importantly being shot back at. It is NOT equal. Just to be clear, your "average" gun-owner has very little if any experience in safely drawing a gun from holster. Very little or no experience in shooting while using a light. Very little or no experience in shooting from cover. Very little or no experience in shooting with movement. Throw any of those conditions in the mix, and I don't believe you average citizen or average gun owner is a better shot. To be honest, I don't think I ever even really try to shoot groups anymore, other than when regulating sights. Its more like acquire sights, focus for distance and squeeze. Its either an acceptable hit, or not; don't really care if the holes are touching.

As usual New Jersey can't do anything sensibly. On the permit image above (and others posted) the statements of fact seem to be: 1. Your permit is Unrestricted. (The box is checked.) 2. You qualified with a S&W, Ruger, and Bersa. (How nice. But the 'See Below' box is not checked.) Nowhere does it say you may only carry the firearms listed. And the statute says your permit is valid for any firearm you legally own. I'm sure the only reason I read this that way is because I am not a lawyer. Or a member of NJ court apparatus.

Just had my hearing in Burlington County. Judge confirmed I’m the first in our county. Just asked to confirm make and model. Read restricted places to me. Carry IS NOT restricted in our vehicles. Said he’s signing today and putting in the mail and that I should have physical permit by the end of the week but that I am approved.

Paul said " as of 3x days ago you only have to put one pistol on form" this was on Saturday. And that once approved you will be able to carry what you want. this was out his mouth. I just dropped off my application @ the PD and my clerk said I'm looking at a month wait.