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All the nonesense was set up to be as complex and arduous as possible to deter as many people as possible from even trying… then those that pushed forward there were plenty of means to deny then creating/ spreading the fear of repercussion of denial in the hopes it would end up as it did no one applying except for the occasional dreamer they would have to waste their time going through the process of denying formally. It all needs to just stop and the process should be similiar to that of numerous other states that are doing it the only “reasonably restricted” way above the constitution…single page application a criminal/mental/domestic check performed by that agency issue if not a prohibited person …period, paragraph! Like pa for example ..my wife has her de cc license … we went to a pa sheriffs office single page app, told her to have a seat the deputy ran her, took her pic made the card out the door … all told 15 min process once started … there were half a dozen people there each the same… I think it was $20……… Not sent pony express to various inefficient agencies around the state…. That is all part of the old plan…. It’s all online the camels nose is under the tent now…. Cut the crap

BTW, my practice won't change when we get regular sized mags back. It's not all about the number of rounds available. Magazines are the #1 cause of feed issues. An extra mag is good to have regardless of how many rounds it is limited to.

Sussex county Court said they mailed my permit to PD today

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I have to call lawshield about that but that's my plan. I have other court orders pertaining to various things and using copies of them was sufficient when I had to present them to authorities (including NJSP).

Absolutely agree. When I started doing action shooting matches it quickly became apparent that "shit happens". Even on VERY expensive guns and reliable name brands, there are times when even the best shooters would need to drop a mag because of a malfunction of some kind.

Also consider speed strips. They are less bulky than speedloaders so easier to carry around, but better than loose rounds. https://bianchileather.com/products/speed-strips-pair-10851

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From the cops I know (hundreds) If for some reason I had to disclose that I had a gun on me and they want to secure it for the stop I would request that if the cop who wanted me to disarm that if he/she/whatever were not familiar with all types of guns to have a experienced firearm arm handler respond as I would hate to be shot with my own gun by the cop as they "try" to unload it. dont know that exact percentage but if I had to say I would say that about 90% of cops only know the gun they were issued. It's much safer if it were to stay in my holster.

agree I;ve the mid 90s ss barrel one with the dark wood stock. Accurate, utterly reliable, as fast as my finger will go

^^^^^^ Model 60, also found as a Glenfield 60, is an awesome and fun gun! With the right model, you get to have 18 round semi-automatic fun here in the Peoples Republic of NewJeristan... i emjpy shooting mine, and even more so since it was handed down from my father. :-) If your set on a lever gun, hard to beat a Marlin 39. My Golden M is dead nuts accurate...

I've heard that from a retired NY LEO as well. NYPD guys that moved upstate would be going down the Palisades late at night to a Manhattan shift and get pulled over with NY plates and then hassled. I thought they could 50 state carry but not (apparently) in NJ.

You can carry as many as you want. Personally, I carry at least 1 spare, and usually 2.

Buffalo Trace is lovely… If you can find it, pick up a bottle of Eagle Rare. That’s my favorite

Is that the blend with wood alcohol and formaldehyde? : )~ My wife picked up a bottle of BT for me a few weeks ago, $35 I think. Apparently it is popular with fire fighters. I liked it, has a smooth vanilla noted flavor which mixes well with many of my favorite drink recipes. Also used it in a bourbon glaze I made for some flat iron steaks. It also sips nicely from a flask around the fire pit.

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marlin 60 is the best 22lr rifle by a wide margin imho and that is what I'd go with. Definitely a wheel gun as well

Reminds me of when I was in bootcamp. Prior to joining the military, I was busting my ass working two jobs. Bootcamp was fairly easy for me, but not for most. The goal of drill instructors is to break people down to the same basic level. Get rid of the egos. Shave everyone’s head and get them into the same clothing. Remove individuality. Get people to work as a team. Teach very basic skills at the level of the least common denominator. Seems pretty simple. Au contraire! The simple act of following basic instructions to fold underwear and tee shirts was mind boggling to some. Nothing against people from the south, but they seemed like the slowest, weakest link in the bunch. No matter how many times you teach them how to fold a tee shirt, they still managed to screw it up. Think of the movie Platoon. Plenty of examples in that movie. Where am I going with this, and how does this apply to this thread? No matter how hard you try to teach someone something, they just may not be able to focus and absorb what you are telling them. It could be nerves, lack of confidence, lack of concentration, or they just don’t give a damn. That’s why it’s so important that instructors doing CCW qualifications do not just push people through and pass them if they don’t know the basics of handgun safety, operation and marksmanship. Fail them and make them practice some more and pay to qualify again. We shouldn’t settle for mediocrity just to have more people with guns on their hips. Let’s prove the left wrong by promoting safe and responsible concealed carry.

I have had some people come to me for quals and within the first mag I could tell they were not sufficiently proficient to pass the qual. Some can't get even half their shots on the paper at 25 yards. Most have never used a holster before. It is amazing how many people feel the need to support the holster with their support hand while putting the gun into the holster and as a result sweep their support hand with the muzzle of loaded pistol - never a good thing. To their credit, all of these people I have worked with accept that they had no idea how any things they need to be aware of to be able to safely handle their gun and I have been providing classes for they to develop the knowledge that they weren't even aware that they were missing. I even have one guy, that after he has fired however many shots in a string, he takes his finger off the trigger and indexes it - no issue. But when he brings the gun down into a low ready position, his finger goes back inside the trigger guard - big issue. I think, for a lot of casual or new gun owners, there are several safety considerations that they just don't know about and develop bad habits while standing in a shooting port.

I completely agree, and I may be in the minority, but I think that every person regardless of their employment has the right to carry without all the stupid stuff that you have to jump through, all the arbitrary requirements etc All of it is nonsensical BS ….. as strong as my belief and respect of the constitution..my opinion may stray from the original wording in that my only requirement would be …as long as you’re not a person prohibited from owning a firearm, you should be able to carry one concealed or open. If that’s your choice it shouldn’t be a requirement to qualify out to X number of yards etc. not everyone I work with shares that opinion however

I’ve read once that NY cops would sometimes take the Palisades Parkway as a shortcut, to bypass the Bronx traffic. NJSP would hassle them for carrying loaded firearms without a NJ permit.

Come on, thats not cool. Its gonna take a long time no matter what. I've been waiting 25 years (since I was 18) and some of you even longer. Everyone has a right to apply and we should SUPPORT that. In time we'll all see, we're modern pioneers. The ones that take the risk of applying and getting denied or restricted before the process is forced to be more Constitution-compliant. Its simply a long painful process right now and one person testing the system isn't going to mess it up for anyone. Not an attack on you, I'd just say simmer down a little.

They won't. The judiciary is going to press the legislator to cut them from the process. There will be no stream lining anything, our courts barely operate as is with respect to their normal volume of cases/hearings.

I think we have to be realistic. We can’t squeeze juice from a raisin. There’s only so much that they can do at once. I would think after the first year, they would have ramped up for the required personnel and streamlined the process. Than again, that’s just my wishful thinking. Government agencies are slow to begin with, and now we’re asking them to do some extra work. I’m sure it’s not going over well, especially since most county jobs are union jobs.

If you have an RDS it would be Carry Optics division, regardless of the size of the gun.

I sharpen in the so Ocean County area.

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