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No ‘references’ should be required to exercise your rights. No insurance. No permits. No training (although I believe training is a smart idea for everyone, I don’t think it should be a ‘requirement for one to exercise their rights). Our government seems to think THEY hold the power over the people, and honestly, have done a pretty damn good job of convincing everyone of that. They need to be reminded that they ‘govern’ us ONLY by our consent.

I know th is wont change the mind of those who are deeply rooted in their beliefs but I will say my peace and maybe itll make sense to those who have never considered this point of view. I do not agree and will not support mandated training. Follow me on this logic. 2A at its heart is for defense from tyranny (and thus self preservation aka self defense) Tyranny from federal, state, local, it doesnt matter. If it is local tyranny you appeal up the chain of command, and ultimately if even the highest levels of government is still oppressive, 2A is a doomsday prevision. Now to claim that your right to own a gun is contingent on you take training... and this training is mandated by the very government that the 2A was written to safeguard against, is incompatible with the heart of 2A. Now I love training, i recommend and encourage training. But telling me that I cannot own a gun, until I satisfy the whims of the government, which the 2A was put in place to put in check, created a system where they can make the training so cumbersome that very little people can/will get approved. Does ANY of this sound even a tad familiar? Yet there are people who will still push mandatory training, like NJ will never take advantage of that...

Any training requirement should include training for 911 dispatchers and every compensated responder. 911 dispatchers on how to identify a "karen" call vs. an active incident and cops that "citizens" are allowed to have guns on them. an official "read and initial" type of form for each to sign and keep in their files that were trained and understand the constitution and laws.

This is an excellent article. Thanks for posting it

If you've seen the lawsuit filed by ANJRPC it addresses every part of the recent ccw permit scheme to prevent you from carrying including the liability insurance issue. The lawsuit also challenges the states handgun permit scheme and I believe it challenges the purchase permit for rifles and shotguns as well. All of this was filed in federal court the day Gov Snaggletooth signed the bill and I believe the state has until sometime this coming week ( I could be wrong) to file their brief or statement. Until then here's a link in NJ woods and Water about the ANJRPC lawsuit https://www.njwoodsandwater.com/forums/topic/60122-anjrpc-carry-lawsuit/#comments

It's a shame that so many gun owners in NJ are so scared to break even the slightest gun law that their fear and paranoia only exacerbates the situation! The antis in Trenton know your fear and they use it against you every day!

The way I was taught, The rights in the Bill of Rights were not given to us by those who penned them. Those rights were given to us from God! Those unalienable rights were enumerated to say that NO government can ever touch those rights as they were God given! God gave us the rights and New Jersey, nor any state or federal government have the right to take them away!

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I don't have much of an issue with it either with one proviso - The LEO must not freak out and treat you as a threat just because you are legally armed. If anything, it should allow him/her to adopt a more relaxed posture as it is highly unlikely that a legal carrier is going to do anything dumb. Not impossible, but highly unlikely. It should definitely not be an excuse to disarm the person and run the gun's serial number on a fishing expedition for a collar.

ooohhhh i;'m pretty certain that "they" are working on telltale signs for their lunatic members to watch for to spot someone ccw'ing.....and it's a guarantee that we'll start seeing lots of those karens calling in on us.

My wife was on Grand Jury a few years ago. We live near 78. She said a lot of gun chargers where out of state residents with CCW who were traveling through NJ and informed the officer when they got pulled over for a minor traffic infraction. Got in trouble for large magazines and hollow points. According to NJ law what they did was illegal so they were charged and went to court.

If you are carrying concealed with the proper handgun, holster and clothing, you won't print so Karen will never know you are armed!

That's my whole point! How many cases of someone being charged for stopping at a restaurant while on the way to a range. For possession of a hollow point round in his car. Possession of a 15 round mag where no other crime was committed, etc, etc. You don't! Because it does not happen! But we live in fear of being the first! A member here got caught with a large capacity mag. The cops did nothing to him!

Yes it is

I think the primary fear of most is funding, the ability to support one’s family while they’re incarcerated. We’d need not only a fund to support their family but their legal fees, if that doesn’t already exist.

The state had until yesterday to file their position. I don’t know if it was extended or not.

Oh, I forgot to show you the finished carnitas. I love making those! Braised style is my favorite.

Become ungovernable

Yep. https://www.backwoodshome.com/we-dont-need-no-steenking-2nd-amendment/

Except that the FPID/PP exists in conjunction with the GCA of 68. This means that unless you get willed it, or had/have a residence in another state, you cannot own them without getting a permit. NJ has always been run by statist scumbags. We'd still be a colony if NJ determined how the nation was run.

great buy and great seller

I don't have to train to exercise my first Amendment rights, why should I have to train to exercise for the second? Training is great! I just don't agree with it being mandated!

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What is the status of the NJ magazine lawsuit?

That's the bigger issue, more than a few restrictions on a gun law. These politicians knew what was in the Bruen decision from the SCOTUS, and still went ahead and passed this bill, and the governor, who doesn't concern himself with the Bil of Rights, signed it. At this point, the Constitution means nothing to them, and they'll pass what ever they feel like, knowing there's zero push back from the population.

Oh yeah. I know that. I just don't want to be in jail while I wait for it to happen.

Since you don’t know me, I won’t shit all over you for your stupid statement. I’m from Texas originally. I married a Jersey girl and lived in NJ for 20-ish years. We moved back because I own a ranch here, and my family is here, and I had done my 20 in NJ. It’s returning home for me, but I still have many friends in NJ, many of them personal friends I have met on this board. I won’t give up fighting for them. Or you. Even though I no longer live in NJ, I STILL continue to fight for YOUR rights, by calling, and emailing your reps, and by donating money to the NJ organizations that fight for you. I see it as ALL of our fight. Because what happens in your state can easily happen in mine.

I’m confident. And sorry I didn’t explain myself well…we have been making merry tonight… But I firmly believe these unconstitutional laws will be overturned. Soon. To those who are feeling defeated or discouraged, this is exactly what the liberals want. They want you to quit. Show them you will NOT bow down. Show them you will NOT accept your rights being denied.

If you register as a D you get to vote in the D primaries. It takes far fewer votes to change the outcome of a primary as many people don't bother to show up to vote in them - markedly fewer then the actual election, even. By forcing the incumbent D out of the vote, you raise the chance of the R getting in just through name recognition.

Yep, some people believe if we just vote them out, next time, we'll be good. Next time never comes.

somehow, i feel this is the answer. the problem of course would be to find a lawyer willing to do it. most of them seem to be more of a "treat the illness" kinda guys rather than "cure the illness". that said....maybe the lawyers that won bruen could/should take something like this. not just murphy. ALL of the state governors that're doing this unconstitutional shiit. i think that if we haven't managed to do that in the last 30 years, it's probably not gonna happen

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Add him to the list when we get the woodchipper started up.

So this Danielsen guy, since he is a NJ gun owner there is a 99.9% chance he has a NJ FID card, did he answer "yes" to question 30 on the application. if not he falsified his application. what town is he from, does the chief know that he falsified his application. good question on the gun range, if he is the range should drop him or increase his dues accordingly.

“I’m a gun owner. I enjoy my guns often, but I enjoyed the right to have those guns and to use them responsibly,” Democratic Assembly member and bill sponsor Joe Danielsen said. “This bill provides zero conflict.” What gun range lets this guy be a member?

We are funding them. Especially if they get their absurd raise from $2 to $200 application fee fee for conceal carry permit applications. They could care less about the money. It's firearm owners money. They laugh as they sign the bills knowing we are funding the fight against ourselves. They know it can takes years, or many decades in ithe case of "Good / Justifiable Need", for laws to be overturned or struck down. So yes, they could be playing a very long waiting game for someone (especially Judge Thomas) to resign or pass away. They dont' care about the Supreme Court, it's recent ruling or the Constituion in genearl and the 2nd Amendment in particular. This is The People's Republic of New Jersey. They've trampled all over citizens 2nd Amendment rights for decades and gotten away with it with ZERO ramifications for themselves. You didn't think they were just going to follow the law did you? Why should they start now?

NJ proposal would require insurance for carry permits By Tom Knighton | 10:30 AM on October 13, 2022 Share Tweet Following the Bruen decision, a lot of states suddenly found their gun control laws null and void. Since these were anti-gun states, it’s unsurprising that many are trying to find new rules that they believe will conform to the ruling. But New Jersey’s latest proposal has serious issues. Why? An insurance requirement, that’s why. The rest of the story: https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/10/13/nj-require-insurance-n63258?utm_source=badaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=00ea90fbf351bbfd29c96affd26f2dca49954a466ec9e3e8139f308bd8a1cb93

You would have to have mass disobedience for it to be effective. And we know at least a few, and I suspect more than a few cops will enforce. Probably to bump up their arrest numbers so they can cite it in promotions and performance reviews.

Would anyone who has rec'd an Ocean County PTC recently be willing to share their applicant #? I am applicant 537 & Superior Court has had my application since Sept. 12.

Us law shield is NOT liability insurance You wont carry unless you were insured?