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Sure they can - who, outside those of us that are directly impacted by this will pay any attention to what actually occurred in court? They rely on low information voters - voters who in turn rely on the soundbites spewed by the gun grabbing politicians.

STOP! Just stop. There are posters who like to check in, take a quick glance at a few choice threads, and catch up on what's going on with these important cases - they don't need to have their time wasted by having to wade through 50 snarky comments. Get this thread back on track - keep it to updates on what's happening with the legislation and other relevant info. Next person to start attacking someone will be sitting in the clink. Act like brats, you'll be treated accordingly.

Nice. I really like my T2.

You just went to the bottom of the pile

They can and will. You don't think for one second that when we finally win, they won't say it's due to the extremist right supreme court that laid the foundation for this?

I have a different take. I believe they clearly read Bruen as they have to be able to defend anything we throw at them. However, I genuinely believe they are playing the game of misinterpretation on purpose. Listening to the TRO hearing, anyone with 2 brain cells can tell that the vehicle restrictions does not pass the sniff test. It is also clear that the counsel representing NJ is NOT stupid and very well educated. She is doing her job and defending her client to the best of her ability. That is why she cannot concede ANY ground because the moment she's caught saying anything that undermines the law in question, she lost. So instead she'll say anything to tip toe around the issue and changing the topic when strategically beneficial. Amongst her friends she'll probably say "This new law makes no sense and clearly bans virtually all places, but I'll argue anyway that it follows Bruen, by taking any any snippets in the decision that support my argument while ignoring the rest. They are playing the game. As long as they dont admit they know its unconstitutional, they can just claim they thought it was within they're lane and theyll take the slap on the wrist.

THE COURT: Does the State have any evidence that concealed carry holders are responsible for an increase in gun crimes? MS. CAI: Not specifically, Your Honor, no. THE COURT: Okay.

I think that interpretation you quoted is spot-on, but particularly so when viewed through a political lens. I won't get overtly "political/partisan" in this thread (so please, no one else do it either!). Suffice it to say that when ANY politician (of ANY party) aspires to higher office, it would be natural to establish your bona fides on contentious issues that are top of mind to the people most likely to vote for you, and I think that's playing out here... I think our governor was all too happy to force even surprisingly weak legislation (even a layperson could point out some the logical failures of this law, but the learned judge's questions only drive them home more). But what does that matter if the Governor can then leverage the results either way? If the law gets overturned, the campaign language is: "See, I tried to do the right thing. I fought the good fight, but these crazy activist judges went against us. Make me your President, and I promise to appoint better judges and justices... blah, blah, bullshit, blah." If even parts of the law are ultimately upheld, the spin turns into: "See, I'm leading the charge on this issue! Make me your President and I'll continue to WIN for you and we'll expand on this success... blah, blah, bullshit, blah." In that sense, this new law is more a tale of pure political gamesmanship/ambition than it is about ...2A legalities... or safety... or self-defense... or gun crime... or anything else! It doesn't matter to him if the law itself is weak, riddled with holes in logic, and clearly goes against Bruen. It's simply a political means to an ends... being funded with our money (regrettably on both sides of the aisle).

I would also suggest a mid length gas system over a carbine. The recoil is minimal on an AR but I think it’s even smoother on the mid length system.

You hideous Basturd!

That plan is now moot. They can’t expand the court without control of the House and the senate . The great news is that they went full retard on their new laws and flat out said it was In reaction to Bruen. There now will be case law against any future attempts to do when attempt to pass a scaled down version.

I purchased the h2 as I don't see myself purchasing night vision. It's an amazing dot..I also purchased a cheap primary arms micro red dot thats fine as well.

JA, I submitted to Berkeley on 8/12. They sent my stuff to OC Sup. Ct. on 9/12. I am # 537 in the county. I do not know where they are in the pile, but I did send them of sternly worded email last night asking "WTF, it has been nearly 5 months" Let's see if they respond. I will keep you in the loop. DG

Absolutely. Also, after having some time on one, I’d say the Aimpoint Duty RDS is a good option for a “budget” micro Aimpoint optic. They are about $450-$500 vs $800-$875 for an H2. Just keep in mind the difference in height when buying mounts. An absolute T1/T2 mount will be a lower 1/3 mount with a Duty RDS. Aimpoint Pro is a good choice as well. With a little work, you can find them under $400 new and under $350 used. I just grabbed a used PRO for $300 a few months ago.

They can- and do- say whatever they want. It's all sheep fodder.

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Exactly. It's pretty clear that the legislators like Danielson didn't read the Bruen decision. They are handed these Bills by staffers with cherry picked talking points, they don't actually write them either. As evident that Danielson couldn't even explain some of the language in the Bill itself, or offer explanations as to where carry would actually be allowed. Were not even at a significant level within the courts and the Judge is clearly flabbergasted at the states development of this law. That really does say a lot. Not to mention it comes on the heels of NYs own legislative shit show.

When it comes to upper receivers (just the receiver), I am partial to BCM. Their receivers are milspec with one exception, the barrel mount sleeves are trued (machined to a very precise right angle to the receiver), and very slightly undersized for a tight barrel fit. Id est, better than milspec. The snug fit and truing all but ensure a 1moa or better rifle, as long as you pair it with a decent barrel. I'm sure there are other upper receivers on par with BCM, but I can't tell you which ones.

This is what I use. https://geissele.com/complete-lower-parts-kit-with-act-trigger.html Love the ACT triggers.

Spikes are my favorite upper and lowers. The fit and finish are excellent. Don't cheap out on the lower parts kit.

I doubt they actually read the bill.

Don't over think it!. Build it. If I can do it, ANYONE can. I still have all my fingers and have put several hundered, at a minimum, down range. P.S. - Sorry if I offended anyone. Toughen the 'eff up. Werd. Edit....holy sweet mother of all that is holy!! It's been that long since I built that thing and it stil shoots great! But seriously. Don't overthink it. Like I said. If I can do it, ANYONE can.

For the most part, a mil spec lower is a mil spec lower. Pick the one with the roll mark you like.

They are GREAT! They are top notch IMHO! Especially when matched with an Aero lower!

Spikes is a good company! No reason not to use their lower. I have an entire Spikes AR15 and it's my favorite by far!

I think this sums up most CCW defenses!!!! THE COURT: Does the State have any evidence that concealed carry holders are responsible for an increase in gun crimes? MS. CAI: Not specifically, Your Honor, no. THE COURT: Okay.

Nice! CCWers are it's. Cai thinks gun owners are its, dehumanized.

The problem pre Bruen, is that most decisions never estashed a "test", and their decision were as muddy as the laws they struck down. Which is why I has asked what was so clear about some cases and no one actually responded to my question. NJ legislators clearly didn't read Bruen, and just assumed it was as "Muddy" as something like Heller, where the only clear cut understanding was typical handguns can't be banned inside the home. Yet, Cali still has a ban on popular handgun models because they argue semi auto pistols are still allowed, they just banned the "dangerous" ones to society that lacked safety features. Pre Bruen decisions required some give by conservative judges, to get a majority opinion... that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.. If you were to combine Bruen and Heller, you could strike down just about any semi auto ban(AWB), we will see how that works out in MD. The Judge in this case saw right through the states BS because they continued to use the same old approach to banning guns, and Bruen explicitly states they can't do that. When asked by the Judge for any evidence that would be admissible under Bruen the state either supplied insufficient material, or stated they would provide it later. I love how the judge asked how the legislature used this data that couldnt be provided to the courts. Bruen still doesn't outline a specific test, but at least it makes 2 very important things very clear. Historical significance, and States Interest.

Play something something Win something something.

I hope Amazon leaves all of Ms Cai’s boxes in the middle of the road.

Bigly!!!

Nope! Trump's fault!

I only see them on mobile....on my laptop, my ad blocker stops them.

If it falls through let me know

Good to know. I have about 5K of 77otm in inventory, but just in case…

Finding ammo for 1:7 or 1:8 twist is expensive??? All of my 556 AR’s are 1:7, and they stabilize anything from the light varmint rounds all the way up to 77gr. HTBP rounds. I imagine 1:8 is similar…. I DO shoot M193 and M855 for the most part.

I replaced all my mil-spec triggers with the ALG ACT triggers. They are great and made by Geissele. Get the extra springs and pins for the lower. You WILL lose one when it goes flying! Avoid putting the hammer spring in backwards. You will get light primer strikes if you do! You won't be sorry Chef....Just do it!

If they are not going to uphold their oath of office to protect and defend the constitution of the United States they shouldn’t be writing laws, or for that matter, hold office in the first place.

I've seen videos of that happening, which is why I carry a Springfield Armory 9 mm subcompact with a grip safety. Even though I love my Glocks, I feel the grip safety gives me an extra layer of protection against an ND when I reholster, as I break my firing grip by placing my thumb on the back of the slide.

NATO designation is SS109. M855 is the US designation. It's the same round though.