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- Joe Danielsen 11/21/2022

Imagine passing a law and having it struck down within a "week". Really is a straight slap to the face.

The actual TRO Order: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.506033/gov.uscourts.njd.506033.35.0.pdf

TRO GRANTED! https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.506033/gov.uscourts.njd.506033.34.0.pdf

Another example of the Judge calling the State out on their BS. I LOVE IT!

This is only the TRO; the full hearing still needs to happen. That may bring more good news on some of these issues. I don't know about anyone else here, but my mode is now "guarded optimism" about all of these cases. I've both read and heard several 2A attorneys in recent weeks who were nearly "giddy" about Bruen and how Thomas wrote it. It has provided a solid legal foundation for our side for sure. So, THIS is what WINNING looks like in NJ, huh...? It feels great - can't we just enjoy that for a few more minutes before Negative Nellies rain all over the parade? A big "shout out" to CNJFO ( @Smokin .50, @Krdshrk - who I believe are both on the board?), NJ2AS & the other 2A orgs who made this happen. Forgive me if I'm leaving out any NJGF members out who played a role in the orgs supporting this specific case! For anyone who has whined - "what are our NJ 2A orgs doooooing?" This is the answer: WINNING! At this point, I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens with the ANJRPC case too!

Had to travel in some unsavory neighborhoods this morning. Thankfully I returned safely. Next time I’ll be armed in my car again. We should all be grateful the court saw through the indefensible position of the state and issued the TRO. Frankly, I am not accustomed to winning this much. Justice Thomas gifted this country with a great 2A opinion, let the good times roll. BTW, going to write some more checks for these great organizations that are working on our behalf to restore things. I may have to stop saying “in free America” when referring to most non-NJ states.

i think you meant to say "if they place biden in office again".

It depends on what the Judge said when they issued your permit. In Hunterdon, the Judge said only the guns you have qualified with, but could just send in the proof of qualification for any other gun to have it added to the permit. Since A4769 was signed into law, there is no involvement by the Judge so new permits cannot be restricted by court order. The letter of the law says "One permit shall be sufficient for all handguns owned by the holder thereof, but the permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual and legal holder of the permit." The Admin code says "Submission of an applicant's most recent handgun qualification scores utilizing the handgun(s) he or she intends to carry as evidenced by test firings administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor;" Therefore, at the time that you apply for your permit you must submit the quals for the gun you intend to carry - your intention at the time of applying. If you haven't applied yet, you would need to submit quals for the P365 as that is the gun you intend to carry. You can't qual with the M17 because it is easier, and then carry the P365 because the M17, from your statement above, is not the gun you intend to carry. Personally, I would qual with both. In consideration of when you have to legally defend your use of force, it would do you no harm to be able to show that you had previously qualified with the gun you used, but I don't see it as required.

Don't be so sure. The Siegel case addresses a lot of those places.

I’m not a fan of bump stocks but might buy one just because..

ANJRPC Siegel case Hearing Notes (taken from reddit) Siegel TRO hearing now Thursday 130pm, they will also argue the consolidation push by the state. Judge Williams ordered all revised briefs to be submitted by 8pm Wednesday. She ordered simultaneous briefing by ANJRPC and the State. She will not review anything until after Wednesday 8pm. She said the court (she) does not work past 6pm. Lol. Looks like she will be reading the briefs Thursday AM and prepping for 130 hearing. The TRO briefings will be amended to reflect anything from Koons TRO and Range Case. The Range Case is no longer good law and state relied on it in several aspect of their original TRO opposition briefing. She will not let this matter go into this week. Judge Williams said Koons TRO has material impact on this case. Judge Williams wants to fully study the Bumb ruling and the Range Case Matter. Judge Williams didn’t think the law went into effect until July 2023, Dan Schmutter explained to her most of the law is in place and thousands of people constitutional rights are being violated and that his case is far broader than the Koons matter. I didn’t think Judge Williams was that prepared for the hearing, but I also don’t think it was coincidence the TRO by Bumb was filed at 930. I think she knew it was coming and would give her time, also think she really wants to make sure she is ruling again a much more senior Judge Bumb. Angela Cai, was there with the assistant AG. Several other AG office staff there. All looked under 25 years old. From what we know, Judge Williams has to rule on the consolidation as was first case in, but unsure if she has to also take the case. I believe Judge Williams could agree to consolidate but then Bumb could be the Judge. Dan Schumutter wasn’t sure and needed to see if was procedural just for William To rules, but Bumb could take the case.

His statement aged like the finest milk.

District Court issues TRO in Koons, CNJFO, et al v. Reynolds, orders expedited briefing on Preliminary Injunction. January 9, 2023 - In a 60 page opinion, US District Court Judge, Renee Marie Bumb today issued a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) enjoining NJ from enforcing sections of the carry-killer bill, A4769. BUMB, United States District Judge As set forth in the accompanying Opinion of today’s date, Plaintiffs have made the requisite showing for emergent temporary relief. As such, the Plaintiffs’ Motion for a Temporary Restraining Order is GRANTED, and the Court RESERVES its decision as to the Plaintiffs’ Motion for a Preliminary Injunction. [Docket No. 8.] Accordingly, IT IS on this 9th day of January 2023 ORDERED that Defendants, as well as their officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys (and any other persons in active concert or participation with them) are TEMPORARILY RESTRAINED from enforcing the following provisions of Chapter 131 of the 2022 Laws of New Jersey: Section 7(a), subparts 12, 15, 17, and 24, and Subsection 7(b)(1); and it is further ORDERED that Plaintiffs are EXCUSED from giving security; and it is further ORDERED that this Temporary Restraining Order shall REMAIN IN EFFECT pending a hearing and ruling on Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction [Docket No. 8]; and it is further ORDERED that the parties shall meet and confer regarding an expedited discovery and briefing schedule for Plaintiffs’ preliminary injunction motion and propose such schedule to the Court within three (3) business days from the date hereof. Judge Bumb's order comes just 4 days after attorneys for plaintiffs Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC), Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners (CNJFO), and New Jersey Second Amendment Society (NJ2AS) appeared in oral arguments in US District Court. The Court has also ordered that parties provide the Court with an expedited schedule on the motion for a preliminary injunction.

also this is a good time to rotate stock, and donate anything close to expiring (or that you tried and didn't like) to your local food pantries. just sayin' we can protect ourselves AND help others.

Damn, you guys are hardcore, lol. Maxing out on # of cans per item, huh? Now you've got me doubting whether I got enough! But, as I've mentioned in other threads, my pantry expanded in the last couple of years not only within the kitchen itself, but it flowed into 3 under-the-bed storage boxes in my spare room, and into 2 open shelves and 2 wall cabinets in my laundry room. Room-temperature storage in an older home is always in short supply - that's the main reason I'm starting to now rein myself in. I feel like my level of food stuff, cleaning supplies, paper goods, etc. is adequate enough and can still be neatly contained in those out-of-sight storage areas. Now, I just use the Can-can sale (and other sales throughout the year) to replenish... so supplies don't draw down. For instance, last week I only got: 12 lg cans of tomatoes, 10 cans of tuna, 10 cans of Progresso soups, a dozen packets of Knorr rice & pasta sides, etc., etc... I spent less than 200 but "topped off" the pantry across all categories. I'm not going to say I haven't considered getting a bit more hardcore - you know, with some bulk dry goods, mylar bags, storage buckets, etc. (Damn, the 1/2 price sale on rice caught my eye, lol)... Nonetheless, I think I'm going to stay in replenishment mode for now. I hope I don't come to regret that! I find it difficult to determine - what's inadequate? what's ample? and what's just plain ol' OCD? In any event, glad some of you got some good hauls! I think it's still going all this week, too - in case anyone (myself included) weakens and decides to dive in again....

Each can of soup gives you a meal. The Campbell's requires water, the Progresso doesn't. However don't dismiss the condensed soup. One of my favorite things in Vietnam was when my Mother would send Campbell's Minestrone. I ate it straight from the can!!!

And Nancy’s husbands nickname is ‘hammer time’.

I did the weekly shop today. Came away with 40 cans of soup, 20 cans of tuna, and 24 cans of various beans. I need more storage shelf space in my basement.

Campbell's Condensed is 10 for $10.

You just went to the bottom of the pile

So the Temporary Restraining Order just issued against the NJ Carry Killer Bill does not block the entire law but it does make the NJ permit functional and prevents enforcement of the worst parts of the Law meaning. A) Concealed Carry in an automobile allowed B) Concealed Carry in Bars / Restaurants allowed C) Concealed Carry at Sporting Events, etc allowed D) Concealed Carry on private property unless specifically prohibited allowed. It would ber great if the ANJRPC case being heard today can get the TRO expanded but this is certainly a good start. Of course I want the entire law declared unconstitutional but that will take time. Unless I am missing something I am really surprised more people like myself who felt the NJ permitt under the Carry killer law was 100% useless are not jumping for joy. 95% of us should be able to carry 95% of the time, No?

Depends who you ask, and what county you are in..... Some counties are mandating qual with the gun you carry..... Others no restrictions.... The law of the Permit says 1 permit covers all guns .... 2C:58-4 Permits to carry handguns 2C:58-4. a. Scope and duration of authority. Any person who holds a valid permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to this section shall be authorized to carry a handgun in all parts of this State, except as prohibited by subsection e. of N.J.S.2C:39-5. One permit shall be sufficient for all handguns owned by the holder thereof, but the permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual and legal holder of the permit.

"We are disappointed by the Court’s ruling, which is inconsistent with the Second Amendment and will make New Jerseyans considerably less safe. But this temporary order is just that: temporary," state Attorney General Matthew J. Platkin said in a statement. "And we look forward to continuing to press our case, including ultimately on appeal." What drugs is he on?? Making people unsafe, when his atty stated there is no data to back that up!

My son just reminded me with a smirk to ruin my day that NY got a TRO for most of their CC improvement Law but then the State appealed to a Three judge panel that overturned their TRO. Someone please tell me that is not possible here and that the Thursday court case can only add to the TRO to make it better, not remove or make it worse…

Just one point. There is no extra federal restriction on carrying firearm in national parks. It generally follows the law of the state where the park is located. However, any occupied building (federal facilities) within national parks is off limit. And such buildings must be posted with specific signage to be considered valid gun free zone. Firearms in National Parks (U.S. National Park Service) (nps.gov) P.S. All the standalone restrooms within national parks usually don't have such signage.

Here you go: https://www.nj.com/business/2023/01/oscar-mayer-weinermobile-driver-job-heres-how-to-apply-for-the-coveted-role.html I'd rather see Murphy or his AG applying for the job; the ones they have are clearly above their pay grade.

Glad they finally got around to it, and only 90 minutes after they posted the article on how to apply to be an Oscar Mayer Wienermobile driver. Priorities, you know.

Federal judge temporarily blocks portions of New Jersey's new gun law (msn.com)

Funny, I have seen NOTHING is the main stream news and its been a couple hours now to publish something basic... it's like they don't want anyone to know. Will wait and see if that changes. NEVER EVER? FYI, this is all preliminary, just the first few low hanging domino's of many to fall.

Way to go felt bare the last 2 weeks

if anyone is good at "photoshop" can you alter an image of Mt. Rushmore and replace existing images with that of Anthony, Shmutter, Jennsen and a fourth patriot in this fight.

Because "they" don't want you to have guns, let alone carry guns.

Sounds as if the fight has just begun. Tally Ho!

I didn't see this news posted on the NJOAG website yet in the media section, they are hair trigger to post stuff violating rights yet they delay posting this, I dont get it this victory for Americans should be front and center

Yep. I think today was only the 5th day in which courts were in session since Murphy signed the bill, and just the second business day for the court since the hearing on the request for a TRO. That must be close to a record. I could hear the sound of the bitch slap clear up here.

Good thing they pixelated the firearms in the video, it's just way too scary to see that.

HEAR YE HEAR YE!!! TRO IS GRANTED FOR SENSITIVE LOCATIONS OUTLINED IN KOONS V REYNOLDS AND CAR CARRY!!! WE HAVE RESTRAINED NJ, DONATE! GET INVOLVED! DON'T GIVE UP! Opinion – #34 in KOONS v. REYNOLDS (D.N.J., 1:22-cv-07464) – CourtListener.com

TRO GRANTED!!! TRO GRANTED!!! Opinion – #34 in KOONS v. REYNOLDS (D.N.J., 1:22-cv-07464) – CourtListener.com

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It’s quite possible he will get charged. If for nothing else, leaving the scene. I wonder if he has prior legal trouble and fled because of that. Not sure the final shots were required when the robber was already down, but I wasn’t there…

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M193/M855 are not designed for precision, they are designed to get the job done. I’ve used both on hogs and paper, and they get the job done. 77gr OTM is a much more accurate round in my 1:7 guns, it’s gets the job done ‘mo accurately’. I mostly ‘hunt’ paper and hogs, so the added expense of 77gr OTM isn’t worth the cost, even though I have a ton of it stockpiled.

This will be interesting to see play out: N.J. Woman Claims She Killed Politician Husband in Self Defense in Christmas Shooting; Prosecutor Says Victim Was ‘Naked and in Bed’ Watching TV (msn.com)