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The mistake that many made was about Judge Karen Williams. She is a Biden appointee but has proven to be a moderate, fair and even handed jurist. Whatever way the case went the result would have been the same. We read that the Murphy administration would have preferred Judge Williams thinking that she could legislate from the bench on the carry ban but she stuck with strict constitutional principles and applied them fairly. Judge Williams has earned my respect and its a sure thing that the left is not very happy with her today. .

That looks like a 8yr old made on a xerox copier, and stuck in a ziploc bag, and cut off the excess.

Kinda sucks that our 2A rights (and I suppose others as well) hinge on the ideological/political whims of the judge hearing the case.

Those of you smarter on the law than me (e.g., pretty much everyone here, lol)...help me understand... I just want to know next steps & timing of those steps (forgive me if I've mangled the legalese): These newly consolidated cases will now go back in front of Judge Bumb... first, to rule on the issue of TRO (and then later, she will also preside over the full consolidated case, is that right?) What happens in a consolidated case? Is it natural that both 2A legal teams will strategize and work together to some degree? Because a TRO is now being requested on the "other" sensitive areas listed in the law (and not just the 5 in the CNJFO case which Bumb already ruled on), isn't there some sense of urgency with TROs? What kind of timing are we talking about here? Is it a set number of days or weeks by which those particular kinds of actions must be heard and ruled on? This should happen pretty quickly, right? In the meantime, the state can still appeal the initial TRO, correct (even if it's a high bar)? How long do they have to do their appeal? Thanks... I'm just trying to get a timeline in my head! (Now that we're winning, I kinda feel that mo' winning can't come fast enough... ! )

I presume if at any point you're discussing your firearm with the police there's a fair chance it won't be a brief encounter. While they shouldn't ask to inspect your gun or paperwork without a reasonable cause, I would err on the side of complying with what they ask and complaining/protesting after.

No need to ponder anything. Just plan. When I carry I plan what I wear accordingly. People talk about 'printing' as if it's a Boogeyman. Unless you brandish or otherwise wave your pistol around you won't be in 'trouble'. If you're worried about that kind of 911 call then you're not planning properly.

I think I remember reading you need to qualify within 6 months of SUBMISSION of the application. So as long as that box is checked, if the mayhem causes the process to take longer than six months, the qualification will still be valid.

Judge Bumb has Bruen pretty well outlined "road mapped" with how to assess sensitive places. That was the argument for consolidation. Williams reviewed and agreed with it. It's not "in favor" for us or the state, it simply reiterates what Bruen would allow as a restriction. The state wanted Williams to create her own road map, using the states absurd logic. Williams saw no reason to hash out something she already said was what she would have conclude herself. So yes, it's good considering we know where the bar is set, but then again Williams could have set that same bar by her own admission. It really just moves things along faster for us. Either way we know in writing Bumb is a REAL JUDGE. That's the win. The remaining sensitive places will follow the same strict reasoning as the ones already

Arrive early. Let the match director know you are new. They will pull you aside for a quick safety check. I plan on going back myself in the spring. Knockdown is a real blast! Bring lots of ammo!

They need a safe space to go cry.

The consolidation order is out from Judge Williams in the Siegel case: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.506026/gov.uscourts.njd.506026.34.0.pdf

Ended up building two other custom rifles and there's no space for this one in the safe at this point. I had Tier 1 Defense do a battle worn cerakote and threw in a Geissele SD-3G trigger. Looking for $1600 OBO without the Aimpoint CompM4S, or $2300 OBO with it.

Moving out of state soon, trying to downsize my collection. Shot maybe 30 rounds through it, comes with 2 mags. Selling the whole thing for $100. First one to comment "I'll take it" gets it. I live near Morristown, willing to drive to any FFL within an hour or so 

I'm thinking about getting one of these for BOB. It holds a substantial charge. The reviews I read say it takes about two days to fully charge from flat dead on solar, but if it's fully charged , the battery won't likely be depleted from daily use. Solar can usually top off daily usage. It's only thirty bucks.

Just to clarify at my point in understanding. There is NO form. The comments basically showed it was absurd so they instead wrote out very vague criteria. With no way to know how to use the criteria the only way to know for sure is to assume anything with a brace on it and a barrel under 16" is an SBR. The alternative is to ignore it because you can't figure it out, no one can, and that is also a favorable outcome.

He seems to have a solid plan, but I think it can be improved. Most of the time there is only one person in a car, but like this guy has, there should be a contingency for family, or multiple passengers. . He stuffed enough gear in one bag for four people. Well, if there is going to be at least one other person if you need additional supplies, then why not do two bags. The first bag is the drivers bag. It will have all of the necessities for one person, and with all the bags space for one person, he can put in more, or perhaps better options in the bag. For instance, if he wasn't carrying 5 of everything, he could get a better bivvy and vacuum pack it. He could have better meal options,. Instead of a tiny pepper spray, a larger can of bear spray (or both), extra socks, better FAK. You get the idea. Second bag would have the extras. Extra food, water shelter, ponchos, protection,, etc. All the stuff from his setup that he was humping for other people. Why should everything for everyone be stuffed in one bag, no reason for it, It's guaranteed that if bag 2 is needed, there will be at least one other person there to carry bag number two. I did like his idea about the water key. It does not take up much space and it expands options for the most critical of supplies, water. Then I got to thinking, if he has the multi-tool with pliers, does he really need the water key. Still good outside the box thinking.

Interesting: https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/01/14/the-congressional-review-act-gives-gop-house-opportunity-to-stop-atf-stabilizer-brace-rule/

No, rules clarify law not "add to it" This is an attempt to create a "substantially identical" text to the law, and that shit won't fly. The ATF says a stock is a stock and a brace is a brace... but if a pistol is substantially identical to a rifle, it is a rifle. There is no substantially identical clause in the law. So right off the bat they have overreach.

FYI, press release from SAF. Bold emphasis is mine. My concern is that the ATF's attempt to redefine "rifle" could encompass "Others" within that redefinition. I hope not but the bold wording below coupled with the ATF doc showing what appears to be an Other, implies our Others could be in play. With that said, IANAL, and this topic really needs NJ centric legal analysis. Nothing I have seen since the new rule was released makes mention of Others, which I presume is mainly a NJ thing. SAF RIPS ATF ‘FINAL RULE’ ON ARM BRACES, LAWSUIT WILL MOVE FORWARD The Second Amendment Foundation today accused the Biden administration of “once again trying to trample the rights of gun owners” by allowing the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to adopt a “final rule” on arm braces for modern semiautomatic pistols. While the definition of a rifle in federal law should be clear, noted attorney Chad Flores, who is representing SAF in a federal lawsuit filed two years ago that was stayed by the court in anticipation of this new rule, it is clear the Biden administration’s new definition of a rifle ignores tradition. SAF sued ATF and the U.S. Attorney General in 2021 in a case known as SAF et. al. v. BATFE, et. al. SAF is joined in that case by Rainier Arms, LLC and two private citizens, Samuel Walley and William Green. The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, Dallas Division. According to Flores’ analysis of the 291-page Final Rule, the definition of a “rifle” now turns on a bewildering six-factor test. This new definition can be controlled not by the firearm’s objective characteristics, but instead by what ATF agents in D.C. think of a manufacturer’s marketing materials or the firearm’s “likely use.” The new rule itself is forced to admit its dramatic result: Under this new definitional regime, “a majority of the existing firearms equipped with a ‘stabilizing brace’ are likely to be classified as ‘rifles.’” “The Biden administration’s new rifle definition overrides the true wish of Congress, to upend the reasonable expectations of stabilizing brace users and makers nationwide,” Flores said. SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb noted the foundation’s 2021 lawsuit raised critical points about what has now been adopted by ATF. “When we started this process,” Gottlieb said, “we anticipated where the agency’s efforts would lead. With our co-plaintiffs, we will continue to challenge this new arm brace rule.”

I would also add, their pictures show a few firearms that don't even meet the definition of SBR under their points system which they did not adopt. There apparently is no point system anymore, and they just get to say if it looks like a rifle, it must be one? The form that was posted shows if it's over 26" they are not assessing the brace. So somewhere else in the rule has to say if it's over 26" with a less than 16" barrel with any brace it's an SBR and I don't see that.

Indeed. That's the world we live in. When you exhaust your options in the lower courts you then get to the Supreme Court for the 'final' decision, but that's just 9 individuals who operate with THEIR ideological/political whims. It's the worst system in the world...except for all the others.

Well shit. Most of the early posts in here did not age well. This sucks, but was a good thing we've been taken the braces off when we store our Others though. And everyone else should remove their braces before the ATF posts this to the National Register in a few days, thereby making sure their Others never had a stock on them. I guess we'll just have to start using our Others for some precision long range work on a bench and will need a tail support similar to this. https://blackcollararms.com/product/aps/

SCOTUS is no longer the play thing for dems and Roberts with his too powerful swing vote. The lower courts know this and foresee many of their dubious cases eventually getting slapped down. Losing BIG cases does not look good on a post federal resume.

Sparta took an officer off the beat so to speak and put him on full time in the office just to process CCW apps. apparently they are swamped.

Funny how the law is so bad even the Biden judge agreed with the Bush judge.

[Sad Trombone noise] https://newjerseymonitor.com/2023/01/13/challenges-to-n-j-gun-law-consolidated-under-bush-appointee/

That helps. When my weight is on the low side for me, I have no trouble concealing G26. When I get a little fatter, I either go to single stack or get bigger pants. I also have a holster/belt/band systems for when I wear sweatpants. Some systems and positions are better than others . I have boxes of holsters, not just drawers full, that I have collected over the years.

Its unfortunate that peoples ignorance in their phrasing can elevate a situation beyond what it needs to be. When I worked at a range we were instructed if there was ever an accident involving a firearm, we were specifically to call it a "training accident" when speaking to dispatch. Saying someone was shot was a surefire way to have swat roll in hard.

And the horses they rode in on!!!

I'd say so. Judge Bumb gave us what we wanted in the Koons TRO request, and bitch-slapped the state of NJ pretty hard is a wise and impartial judge with a firm grasp of constitutional law.

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/bracefinalruleguidance-non-commercial1-10/download https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/bracefinalruleguidance-commerciallypdf/download https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/factoring-criteria-firearms-attached-stabilizing-braces Take a look at what they are considering SBRs

As has been stated many times through all this kerfuffle, Non-NFA Other Firearms are not effected by this at all. Look at the factoring worksheet here: https://www.atf.gov/file/154866/download Non-NFA Other Firearms must be at least 26 inches overall length. That means they fail at step 2 and are not under consideration with this rule change.

i forgot about the many "it only just started making noise this morning" tales. the ones where the rotor was so worn, and the caliper so far over-extended that the disc surface was seized between what was left of the pads, and had broken off of the hat portion of the rotor.

Transcript from yesterday's hearing is available: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.506033/gov.uscourts.njd.506033.42.1.pdf

You’ll be self conscious about printing for awhile. The feeling wears off as you find YOUR spot to carry, and as you get more comfortable with it. I wore my sidearm around the house for a few weeks in order to get used to the feeling of it, and the right clothes to wear with it. Takes time to find your combo.

I'd go with 'Be Safe' as the only tip you really need. Most ranges are quite accepting of a good degree of suckage with new shooters, as long as you are a safe shooter.

There are definitely Karens out there but there are a number of unscrupulous mechanics too that unfortuntely created the reputation. I secretly marked my tires to ensure my tires were rotated and then the tech why I was charged when the tires were not rotated. He was not even the owner of the place and had no financial gain to avoid the rotation other than pure laziness/incompetence/deceitfulness… Place was Rt 33 Nissan Hamilton Sq, NJ

They are accepting applications now. I submitted mine the other day.

I wouldnt be so sure they will get it "worked out" quickly. While they are good with fpid pistol permits etc.. it took 3 months to run a background check and call my references for the Carry permit. Applied end of August and I still don't have it.

I think the point is the legislature changed the process without any regard to how the PDs are to actually get any of it done. Simple things like having a stock of blank permits to fill in and issue, for example.

I'm like you brother! I don't have a bugout bag because I don't see a bugout option for me! My guns, ammo and food stores needed for survival are impossible for me to move to another location! My house has a cellar that is mostly underground and is totally defensible! God knows I don't want to live down there...but I could if I had to! Needless to say, my kids and grand kids would be there as well. They hate guns and think I'm a fool for owning more than 1 or 2 guns but in that scenario, they will have to learn to shoot back!