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You are new here, maybe a new gun owner too, so you may not know. There is no point trying to apply logic to anti-gun laws. None was used in writing them. If you try, you will only give yourself a headache and still have crappy gun laws.

Thats pretty much the spew he gave me. I think tomorrow. Ill go back there and do a tiktok with them in the back ground. Just to troll them.

Please reach out to Tech Ops International and/or Troy. They should have a solution for you and/or they should be filing a suit against the ATF. If they don't have either, as an A4 owner, please pressure them to do so. https://techopsinternational.com/troy-a4-other-firearm/

Outstanding!!!! He needs to be held accountable for his actions

SCOTUS is 100% the gatekeeper of state laws when they violate civil rights. They are also the gatekeeper of errors of law at lower courts. That is in fact their job. But that does not mean they decide how the courts work in terms of process, and it does not mean that being denied a a TRO or injunction is a misapplication of the judicial process. This particular suit has a lot of issues. At least from the bits I've read, and temper my opinion with the fact that I haven't been watching the wrangling on this one, so I may be missing a lot of stuff. So first up is the question of standing. Standing, unfortunately, requires harm. In the case of civil rights stuff, the fact the law is clearly harmful often isn't sufficient, you have to actually step up and be harmed in most cases. TROs and injunctions do tend to deal more with unavoidable harm, but you still have to demonstrate that you will be harmed, not that you might be. So first up, like half the arguments are that you can't regulate us like this because 2A. I doubt the court is going to see that the state does not have great leeway in regulating the operation of a business. If regulations are going to get canned over the 2nd, it's going be because they infringe the rights of an individual in the end. An example of a shit claim in the case: NYS can't require a POC implementation of NICS. NICS is a federal law and very clearly allows for a POC implementation. That would be a totally different suit and I'm not sure why it is even here. A more ambiguous claim in the case: They are creating a registry and the 2A and 4A says you can't. Well, is there actual case law on this. There are opinions, and legislation around said opinions, but not case law. It's a valid challenge, but do the FFLs have standing? Have they been harmed? More importantly is that harm irreparable? A registry can be destroyed, and if actually destroyed, the harm it does is gone. You are not likely to win a case with the argument that the people running the registry are scumbags and can't be trusted to work that way. A different ambiguous claim: That the laws will put them out of business due to cost. While one can argue that unlike the other amendments, the 2nd really does kind of require commerce, so things that effectively forbid a commerce in arms can be infringing. The suit claims that compliance will cost $200,000-$1,000,000 to comply with, and I have yet to see where they get that number. From what I've read, it sounds unlikely to be accurate. So they may have standing potentially, but have they demonstrated inevitable harm? A lot of things on the list likely ARE 2a violations, but the winnable case is going to come from the customer side of things, not the business side of things. It does not strike me as a particularly strong case in general, and specifically I don't think what merits it does have lend themselves particularly well to winning TROs or injunctions. I mean really, are security systems expensive to the degree that it is an existential threat to anyone being able to operate a business? Is there something special about that requirement with regards to this law that makes it move from something private households and small bodegas can afford, but not FFLs?

Just got the call to pick up my PTC today at NJSP.

Getting alot of sneers. There was like 8 agents at the booth. Also its not about the brace its about the barell. And bumpstocks are gtg now. Honestly. I wouldn’t do anything in mods till the last moment

I agree. I said its an other firearm. Tried to explain the difference. All he kept saying is if the barrel is less than 16”. Its a sbr. I told him. You guys gave out a letter to troy okaying it as an other. Then both agents said if its not a 16” its a sbr. I kept telling him. Theyre friggin idiots.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-charged-involuntary-manslaughter-fatal-rust-shooting-district-attorney?intcmp=tw_fnc&s=09

They probably figured out many were donating to pro 2A organizations and we can't have that now can we.

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Done. Hope others do the same. On the Tech Ops website, I couldn’t find the letter from the NJ State Police saying the “other firearm” was legal in NJ. Wondering if they recently removed it?

Pork roll or ham? Sorry, couldn't resist, carry on.

fixed it for them

So what do I do with my Troy A4 Other? Get it modified is my only option?

Alec is being charged with manslaughter. https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-charged-involuntary-manslaughter-fatal-rust-shooting-district-attorney

So was the armorer. Long way to go between charged and convicted.

Always!

My favorite sentence from the article A combination of a proliferation of guns, "stand your ground'' states, concealed carry permit holders and a growing lack of confidence in police to protect communities appear to be fueling a spike in incidents of U.S. citizens intervening in what they perceive to be crime... As if this wasn't clearly a crime lol.

Trump's fault.

Had to laugh! I think alittle of both, LOL My bad, it was 1st 3 pages I started reading. I see now the last 3 are on topic. Now for my coffee!

There is already a thread 10 down from this new one: there is also separate about weapons: These seem to be on topic/not a law discussion. Or maybe I'm missing something about your post?

Little gunz can shoot. Tho I haven't shot it in years, I could shoot 25 rounds out of a .25 ACP Raven; the very definition of "Saturday Night Special", into the circle of a standard NRA 25 yard target at 25 feet. Never a misfire. Not bad for a pistol that was originally a "promo" for a year's membership in a range.

Submitted 9-23-22 in Gloucester county. No references called. Money order cashed. I pick up ptc 1-16-23.

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I like these timeline posts cause its useful to get an idea of when to expect to receive the PTC. Here is my timeline, I'll make sure to edit once I actually get it. Bergen County 11/08 - Submitted Application 11/08 - Identgo Appointment Made 11/11 - Fingerprints done 11/15 - References received letter 11/16 - Reference #1 Submitted 11/22 - Reference #2 Submitted 11/24 - Reference #3 Submitted 11/28 - PD Confirmed received references 12/5 - PD Confirmed Fingerprints Complete 1/12 - Money order cashed I thought it takes ~1 week according to other's timeline from money order cashed to receiving PTC, so far no call yet. I'm debating on contacting PD but the person in charge of firearms gets a bit annoyed and I don't want any retaliatory delays. Probably gonna tell me to contact the courts. This process was a nightmare. I applied along with two other friends. Gonna name them #1, #2, and #3(me). Applications were submitted about a month apart each. References: #1, references were never sent out, found out a month later when applicant #2 references arrived that these papers should have been sent out. #2, reference papers lost at PD, 2/3 references had to receive paperwork again, fill out, and resubmit. #3, no issue with references. Made sure to call and confirm they received them. Qualification(all done at Reloaderz): #1 qualified with 1 striker fired. #2 qualified with 2 handguns, both hammer fired. Passed with the compact so was approved with the full-size. #3, decided I wanted to use all 4 spots on qualification. Qualified with Hellcat & was approved for other 3(pocket & two full-size). Was explained at the range as long as you qualify with one action type(striker, hammer, or revolver) then you are approved for all that have that same type action. I was ready to qualify with Hellcat(assuming auto approved on full-size) and LCP Max(internal hammer so not a striker-fired??) Spent close to 1000rnds practicing with LCP Max because hitting accurately at 25 yards is...not easy task. Passed with Hellcat, they considered the LCP a striker fired and approved me for all 4 handguns. Had an issue submitting application, qualification form refused probably cause I put 4 handguns on there. Didn't accept the reasoning that qualifying with one same action(striker) meant I was fine with other 3. I really just wanted the Hellcat and LCP Max due to their size, didn't care much for other 2 full-size(probably would have never carried). Somehow barely passed with LCP Max(48/60). Resubmitted with 2 separate qualification forms for Hellcat & LCP Max - accepted by PD(phew). PD questioned me if I did my fingerprints, concerned me that they never got it or gave me wrong case#. Confirmed later they got the fingerprints. I preferred email communication to keep records just incase. A bit of a frustrating process because it seems like they didn't bother reading the emails fully and responses were unrelated to my simple questions. Redirected me to contact court instead. Finally got PD to confirm they have everything necessary, began checking money order often. Been a month since I submitted application and money order wasn't cashed. Called court, was sent to a voicemail system. Never got a callback or response, but next day money order was cashed. So far #1 & #2 have not received PTC even though they submitted earlier than me. #1 lost money order receipt. #2 money order was cashed mid-Dec. I'm giving it till Feb to contact PD and ask if they received my PTC.

NY got some very favorable rulings at the district courts but the state went to the court of appeals and they reversed the lower courts order. NJ has a good court of appeals makeup, more Republican appointed judges than Democratic. So once this gets settled in Bumb's court the state will probably appeal and then we'll see who the three panel court is. Illinois got carry because they drew 2 out of 3 good judges.

You kind of screwed up for waiting that long. Since the police are now handling it they dont have the printers or anything so its an indefinite wait as im sure that will be the police top priority is getting those printers, lol. Oh well things could be worse you could be in Ocean county and still waiting for the court to rubber stamp the damn permit. NJ this is what happens when you vote blue but people never learn or change. Whats the difference between Ignorant and stupid? Ignorant you don't know but can learn. Stupid is you dont know and wont or cant learn. Therefore its safe to say 99.9% of NJ voters fall into the stupid category.

My understanding is that the Koons TRO is good until the preliminary injunction is decided.

Glock 34 1911 With practice you can shoot anything you have to. But a gun that fits your hand definitely makes it easier.

I'd like for someone to explain with some level of rationality that a stock on a rifle has to be pinned to prevent "concealment" or it's illegal, but if it's pinned in the shortest position, it's ok.

The person you talked to has their head up their ass.

Hornady critical duty! 9mm 135gr +p

That's what the demand of a hearing is for... if the "facts" stood up it wouldn't be required. But the state can only make oral arguments to twist their position enough times it might make sense. 2nd court of appeals is a bunch of douchebags that's why And Alito basically told them so...

The Siegel TRO hearing is set for Thursday, Jan. 26 at 11:30 am. Also there appears to be a new attorney representing NJ. Don't know if Angela Cai will still be in the mix or not. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.506026/gov.uscourts.njd.506026.37.0.pdf and https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.506033/gov.uscourts.njd.506033.43.0.pdf

If you follow the thread the issue isnt what the law is now. The question is what the law was pre-Dec 22. Those that have a court order from a judge stating the firearms they are allowed to carry can not just ignore it. The order must be vacated first.

Mercer County Superior Court: (609) 571-4200, x74152, Nicholas Kowalchuk, Law Clerk to Hon. Patrick J. Bartels, J.S.C.