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FPC has already filed a lawsuit. https://www.firearmspolicy.org/mock

If you're subject to a TRO or FRO, what felony have you been found guilty of? It is a common tactic in NJ divorces for the soon-to-be ex-wife to file a TRO against the man, just as a leverage technique. Far too often it is used without any basis in fact and the woman gets away with it. I'm not saying there are not valid reasons for restraining orders, but they are pretty useless in effect anyway. Ask Carol Bowne.

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Thanks for that post. I don't have a Troy A4, but I have something else subject to this whole farce. Removing the stabilizing brace does make the firearm compliant. I have heard nothing to the contrary on this. But I believe this gentleman is wrong when he says of the brace "you can still have it, it just can't be installed". If you have a stabilizing brace in your possession (at least at the same site as the pistol), I believe that amounts to constructive intent and is a no-no.

I think it will be useful to maintain a list of business that are posting some variation of a ‘No Guns’ sign in NJ. I'd like to crowdsource the data. If forum members can list, in this thread, the County, Town, and Business Name, plus any notes you think relevant, I will periodically pull the information out of the thread, and add it to this top post. It should give carry permit holders on this forum one post to check to see where private businesses have added restrictions. I'm not capturing here the broader restrictions that are part of NJ law...schools, courthouses, etc. This is NEITHER A COMPREHENSIVE NOR A CURRENT LIST of NJ businesses that have posted any variation of a “No Guns’ sign. Data is reported by NJGunForums members and updated to this post as time allows. Each carry permit holder remains responsible for looking for ‘no guns’ signage whenever entering a business. Format: County, Town, Business Name, Relevant Notes, Date Posted to the forum Note Regarding Movie Theaters: Regal, AMC, and Cinemark all operate cinemas in NJ, and all are reported by multiple sources to have 'no gun' policies. From what I can tell, only Regal mentions it on their website, buried in the 'Regal Admittance Policy/Costumes with Masks and Props' section, where both prop and real firearms are prohibited. Look closely for 'no guns' signs when attending the theater, and let me know if such signs are sighted in the wild. Note regarding Costco: I’ve not seen a ‘no guns’ sign at any Costco I’ve visited, but the corporate website prohibits carry at all Costco locations. https://customerservice.costco.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/709/~/are-guns-%26-personal-firearms-allowed-in-costco-warehouses%3F Atlantic Atlantic City All Casinos Announced by Casino Association of NJ 2/7/23 Mays Landing. LensCrafters in the Hamilton Mall. Sign on door. 12/30/23 Bergen Fair Lawn. Bowlero. All Bowlero locations in the state. 2/8/23 Hackensack, The Shops at Riverside. Small "Code of Conduct" sign includes among the rules in small print a 'No Weapons' line. 9/17/23 Paramus. Garden State Plaza. Long list of rules at entrances. 2/8/23 Paramus Paramus Park Mall. 4/8/23 Wallington. Bowlero. All Bowlero locations in the state. 2/8/23 Burlington Medford. Spotts Hardware. There are small signs at each entrance. 6/30/23 Moorestown. Moorestown Mall. There is a small sign at each mall entrance, except the entrance through Boscov's Dept. Store. 12/29/30 Camden Blackwood. Bowlero. All Bowlero locations in the state. 2/8/23 Cherry Hill. Sam Ash. 3/15/23 Cape May Cumberland Millville. America's Best Contacts and Eyeglasses. Firearms Prohibited sign on door. 12/22/23 Essex Belleville. Bowlero. All Bowlero locations in the state. 2/8/23 Short Hills. The Mall at Short Hills. Signs at all entrances, some stores have additional signage. 12/21/23 Gloucester Deptford. Bowlero. All Bowlero locations in the state. 2/8/23 Glassboro. Lidl. Small sign posted. 8/30/23 Hudson Hunterdon Mercer East Windsor. Picture Show movie theater on Rt 130. Sign on door. 9/17/23 Lawrenceville. Quakerbridge Mall. Signage may not be on all entrances. 2/2/23 Princeton. Whole Foods Market. No guns sign at entrance. 6/20/23. Middlesex Edison Supercharged Entertainment (indoor go cart racing). 8/30/23 Metuchen. Whole Foods. Sign on entry door. 2/14/24 North Brunswick. Bowlero. All Bowlero locations in the state. 2/8/23 Monmouth Hazlet Bowlero. All Bowlero locations in the state. 2/8/23 Middletown. T-mobile on Rt 35. No Guns sign. 2/4/24 Morris East Hanover. AMC Theater. No Weapons Sign (pic of handgun) posted at entrance. 5/13/2 East Hanover. Chuck E Cheese. Sign hard to spot in entranceway, says anyone carrying will be treated as a trespasser. 1/31/24. Parsippany. Whole Foods. Signage at entrance. 10/29/23 Ocean Lacey. Lacey Elks Lodge. 12/21/23 Passaic Wayne. Whole Foods 1/2/24 Wayne. Willowbrook Mall. Signage at entrances. 5/16/23 Salem Somerset Bridgewater Township. Bridgewater Commons Mall. Signage is not obvious. 2/3/22 Green Brook. Bowlero. All Bowlero locations in the state. 2/8/23 Manville. Kids Empire. Conspicuous sign on door as you enter. 7/1/23 Watchung. American Freight. Prominent sign. 2/17/23 Sussex Union Elizabeth, Ikea, 6/28/23 Warren

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This looks interesting I wonder about the accuracy with a moving barrel. its a little pricey .

And the subject of this decision is NOT a good guy. Long criminal history. https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-rahimi-11

Russian hacking. Trump's fault.

Had to do a double-take on this. Bravo! Bridgewater Commons Mall, though the posting is certainly not conspicuous.

Hi I have a 642 Airweight and a desantis iwb holster and some ammo I might be willing to part with. PM me please. Might be interested in trades too….

Yes its Good to go.

If you are really worried about municipalities selectively enforcing the original law vs TRO, print out a copy of the latest TRO and leave it in your car and save a copy on your phone. As others have mentioned, they can't just ignore a court order.

https://www.schustermfg.com/atac-muzzle-brake/ Will bring 14½” barrel to 16” OAL with crush washer.

FPC has already filed suit. https://www.firearmspolicy.org/mock

Under Bruen, the US Supreme Court ruled any gun law has to be ". . . consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation." Being an expert shooter with a tiny handgun or requiring liability insurance or banning carry in your car or at the public park, all may have some benefit, but all have no "historical tradition." So unless the Supreme Court reads " high level of proficiency," in the 2nd Amendment, it's really unconstitutional to require such a test, imho. It's a good idea to shoot accurately. But it's not Constitutional and will be rejected by the US Supreme Court at some point, imho

Plenty of people think the government shouldn't be requiring it. However, you won't find many arguing against having, and maintaining, a high level of proficiency with the weapon you'll be carrying.

Defendant state of NJ has proposed a schedule for preliminary injunction motions: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.506033/gov.uscourts.njd.506033.61.0.pdf ----

Every time I watch Hickok45 I do get a little depressed. I'd go bankrupt before I shoot as well as he does.

The OP might consider acquiring a laser training device for practice. This demands accuracy, but costs less than many range trips. As soon as I did, several things became obvious. For one, I was hitting a 3" laser target consistently at 24' in my house with almost any size handgun. But take those same handguns to the range with live ammo? Different story! At least until I identified what was going wrong. And surprise... it wasn't the gun.

Good for you. Perseverance pays off. Well done.

Greetings. I think you're relatively new, so welcome to the forum. I agree with the previous opinions that mechanically the two handguns you mentioned can pass the test. So it appears the issue is your shooting technique. Have you considered getting some instruction? A competent instructor may be able to guide you to a much better score. But more importantly, I think you should consider what might happen if you're carrying those handguns. What will happen if you need to use them in self-defense? If your accuracy is less than adequate, where will the other rounds end up and what will that mean to you? It might be very unpleasant. If you were an 'expert' with a 9mm Beretta, there's no handgun mechanical characteristic that would prevent you from becoming an expert with your choice of CCH. So I have to disagree that your best course is finding a more lenient course of fire to pass qualification. IMO you should consider improving your skills where you can easily pass all the courses of fire that have been referenced. And then some. This has nothing to do with New Jersey and handgun permit regulations. It has to do with the best outcome for you out on the street. This is what I have done. Keep at it and good luck.

But if you can't hit more then a few feet away with it then why are you carrying it? I hope I don't have loved ones behind your target. Very irresponsible in my opinion. Sign up for a class.

I picked up my permit this week! Applied mid-late Sept Money Order cashed around Nov 1 Approved by Morris County Superior Court last week. About 130 days after application, including the weekends and quite a few court holidays. On top of that, before applying I spent over a month collecting paperwork and mailing forms around for reference signatures and waiting to get a slot to fire the HQC. All-in-all, close to 5 months and almost $400 for the entire process. References weren't contacted. I have a two page court order which lists the handguns on my qualification form and specifies I'm limited to carrying only those, unless I have the permit amended to add additional guns. No other restrictions checked. I have to carry the court order; the detective recommended keeping a copy in my glove box, and a clear scan of the document on my phone as the best way to meet that requirement. I still need to clean up the poorly cut edges of the printed permit, and laminate the thing. I can't decide if I'm more happy to have it, or pissed off at how difficult the state made the entire process.

This is a terrible attitude. Carry a gun you can actually shoot.

Wow…. Both of those guns are inherently capable of scoring 100% on a HQC - Meaning they are mechanically accurate enough to get scoring hits at 25yards. I have qualed with a JFrame and a Ruger LCP with no issues. Instead of wishing for an easier test, practice harder to be a better shot. It’s a win-win.

Keep practicing!

In the email I got, when I clicked DONATE in response, the anedot link page opened. Needless to say, I closed the window and deleted the original email.

Respectfully, you shouldn't be coming to an internet forum like this for the kind of "absolute" you're looking for. As the the question of municipalities selectively enforcing a TRO, it makes no sense. The law was passed by Murphy. The judge issued a TRO for parts of the law which essentially strikes them...temporarily. Municipalities don't get to selectively enforce something that isn't a law. Well, I guess they could try to, but as soon as you got in front of a judge the case would be tossed. If you currently have a carry permit and are exercising it in a way that's protected by the TRO but would otherwise be against the law if it wasn't in place, then you would be very wise to stay on top of the court proceedings so you'll know which way the decision lands. What's allowed one day could quickly be illegal the next.

They are being funded by a couple rich guys and do what they want so they get to keep their jobs….Dummies in NJ keep voting for them because they keep getting free stuff.

They can’t disobey a court order. The judge’s order is binding on all of New Jersey.

Well . . In times past I'd agree. The big difference is Bruen. Now that all states and federal enclaves are moving to shall issue, reciprocity may be tolerable to the Schummers of the world. Under the right conditions and if it's bundled with something that they want, could happen. There where folks on this forum and elsewhere who where convinced carry would never happen in NJ, never. Now we have carry. We are on a winning streak, let's keep the momentum going as long as we can.

Mercer County Superior Court: (609) 571-4200, x74152, Nicholas Kowalchuk, Law Clerk to Hon. Patrick J. Bartels, J.S.C.

Yes, by all means, wait until an assailant pulls their gun and shoots you. I think three bullets is the safe legal threshold. Then you can draw. You have to wait for the third shot because you have to be 100% certain that the person killing you really means it. Their first two shots could have been warning shots and the attacker missed the air and unintentionally hit you. When someone attacks you, they are a threat of an unknown quantity. They could kill you with one punch, a crow bar, a knife, a gun. Who knows? Unless you have X-ray vision and are ALSO a mind reader you have no idea, ZERO, what level of threat you are facing. I can tell ya one thing. If you wait around to find out how far your attacker is willing to go, you are probably going to be dead soon anyway, so it doesn't matter much. What about rape? I mean, a rapist isn't necessarily going to kill their victim. Should deadly force be used as a defense against rape? I don't believe I've ever seen a news piece about a woman charged with murder shooting an unarmed rapist. How the fuck are those skanks getting away with that (satire mode off) Guns are used to neutralize threats. If someone is carrying with visions of OK Coral in their minds, they probably shouldn't be carrying. As far as I am concerned, if someone is behaving threateningly towards me, I back off. I tell them to back off. If that does not work, peppa spray deployed and sprayed... that is, if the threat is standing down wind. If the wind is blowing in your face, you are going to have a real shitty night getting caught up in your own defensive attack. If you are packing, I do not see a problem with drawing and holding low ready. Some may say that's brandishing, but it's not. Brandishing is more like pulling your shirt up to intimidate someone or waving the gun around in a manner meant to threaten. At low ready, you are consciously pointing in a safe direction that the attacker can see. This opens a crossroads. Your next move will be based on the attackers next move. Whether or not the gun goes back in the holster cold is entirely up to your attacker. If your attacker pulls a gun and you have a faster draw, you could possibly neutralized the threat. If you are slow to react, you could become worm food. If the attacker sees you at low ready, pisses their pants and runs, you have neutralized the threat. I prefer the not shooting the attacker option. I would totally shoot someone if I absolutely had no other option, but I don't think I could feel good about it. Anyway. To quote Red Haired Shanks. Guns are not for threats, guns are for action.

Yeah....Watch me keep it it in my holster!