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It's a sad story, but she voted for it. You reap what you sow. This is what happens when you keep letting these people back into society. Keep your head on a swivel and be on the lookout for undesirables. There are alot of them walking around.

I think a lot of you are looking at this very black and white and not the million shades of gray that are present when intoxication is brought into it. I also think many of you I’ve never been sued or involved in a trial. ANY crack in the armor of legality you may have will be exploited against you both in criminal AND CIVIL court (where the burden of proof is much lower than criminal). If have been paying attention lately you may have noticed - the punishment for protecting yourself has often been the process itself. Being intoxicated - even the hint of possible intoxication, in any shape or form - will never ever be a benefit to your case. EVER. Remember - the legal use of deadly force is entirely based on your perception of events at the time the event occurs. The fact that you observed actions that put you or another in danger of death or serious bodily injury is the key, coupled with your ability, or inability, to retreat. That decision is then weighed against what a similar person, with similar training and experience, would perceive and what their reaction would be. Alcohol and THC are proven to distort judgement, reaction time, mood, memory, demeanor, and the perception of time. How do you maintain that your perception of events was accurate if the accuser can maintain you may have had a level of intoxication present - no matter how small? Your mindset before and during a deadly force interaction also play a significant factor. Poor judgement exercised prior to being involved in a use of force can turn a self defense finding into a manslaughter charge or even murder - if your actions are deemed reckless, malicious, or done with prior planning and forethought. Carrying a weapon while high or drunk, or if you are planning to get high or drunk later, is easily proven to be purposeful behavior that can change what was a careless act into a reckless one (reckless requires a purposeful or knowing component) providing aggravating factors for the courts to charge (and sentence) far more harshly. Keep in mind - I’m not saying someone should be excluded of their 2A rights because they drink or use THC. I’m saying you are not doing anyone - not yourself, your family, fellow 2A advocates and gun owners, or society as a whole - any favors if you carry while drinking or with THC in your system - whether intoxicated/under the influence or not. These of course are my personal opinions and how I make decisions for me. You all do you - and that’s what makes America great.

Chinese spy balloon siphoning off all the posts?

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Answering a legit question about the origin of information with a snarky D-bag snotty attitude is a dick move. Your post was unhelpful. You did not answer the question with anything useful, so what was the point of your post, because it certainly wasn't to be helpful or kind. Does it make you feel smart or superior to be a dick?

Fuck him.

Oh well...

This is a big deal. Once a case actually makes it to trial, it's a war of words and objective evidence. On its own, it might not be enough to cast guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. But taken in context, especially in an absence of eyewitness testimony, camera footage, etc. it definitely only helps the prosecutor. The proverbial "reasonable person" has no drugs or alcohol in their bloodstream. Of course, the defense should provide objective medical evidence that their judgment was not impaired. It's a little bit like wearing shirts with the Punisher skull logo, plastering your car with Pro-2A stickers or putting a sign near your home, "we don't call 911", etc. Imagine if all of that applied to someone plus being a habitual user of a pot. The case could be made that the person's fabricating the situation for them to act out their gun fantasies. From my perspective, the best defense is to be a model citizen. It might avoid needing to use a gun at all.

In a multitude of instances this has absolutely been the case. Imagine if Kyle Rittenhouse or George Zimmerman had had a few beers or a joint before going 'on duty'. Fortunately they didn't. But their 'punishment' is not even over yet.

Hmmm? Am I the only one in this thread with real concerns about this? Isn't the part I bolded above an ongoing problem with pot right now, even with driving? My understanding is that unlike alcohol (where there's a pathway for proving guilt by way of a blood alcohol content level that can be measured), it's not so with pot. Someone could have smoked 24 hrs earlier - or - smoked 30 min before they grabbed and used their firearm... but they'd still have THC in their bloodstream without a definitive, measurable way to show whether or not that level of THC made them impaired. (If I'm wrong, I trust someone will come on and correct me). Perhaps roadside sobriety tests (you know those "close your eyes, now touch your nose" tests) carry more weight in a court of law than I'm aware of? Because I would think a good lawyer could make mincemeat out of those roadside tests - "my client was tired after working long hours... he also had a recent inner ear infection... of course, he couldn't walk straight, your honor..." etc. (Isn't that likely why cops follow-up with a breathalyzer or blood test in the first place? To have evidence that is harder to refute in court?). It's bad enough if someone drives (or carries, etc.) when they're drunk... at least you can definitively, measurably prove that... and if nothing else, justice will be served after-the-fact. I just don't see how you can ensure the same result if someone is high. And I hate like hell the thought that some dumbasses will have some "bad shoots" while high, thereby giving our anti-2A opposition MORE ammo to use against us. I just don't see how this is a positive development... besides, I feel like our society is self-medicating at a rate that's growing alarmingly fast. I don't see any of this as a social good.

1979 Un-fired.

It happens almost every Sunday, it has something to do with server maintenance.

The 'Date Of Transfer' on the handgun permit is the only thing that matters in the 30 day calculation. When money changes hands is irrelevant.

Did you try reading the law?....