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Never said you were. 10000% Thank you. Make no mistake, I do not agree with mandated training as a requirement to exercise a right - but I wish everyone would take their rights seriously and prepare themselves, across the range of all personal rights. Regarding the 2A I wish that, while it should not be required, anyone who does decide to carry a firearm should be self-aware enough to come to the realization that: 1) Carrying a firearm is an enormous social and personal responsibility 2) They are accepting a duty to themselves and others to be an asset to society, not of a liability 3) Their action and related skill/ability will reflect on all who carry guns 4) Your abilities translate to literal “life or death” consequences 5) You will be judged on both your physical abilities as well as your decision making process by the courts, by society, and by your peers - for all time 6) Not aspire to mediocrity and 7) Self-realize the importance to train with their chosen firearm to level of basic proficiency

@rschmidty now you’re just making Peel’s head swell! @Mrs. Peel I have a shotgun for you! I inherited a Beretta 686 Silver Pigeon 20 gauge from my dad I’d like to ‘keep in the family’. Again, Mrs Tex and I are planning on a trip back up to NJ in October. I’d love to shoot with yall!

Uids don't happen because of a holster they happen because of negligence re holstering a fire arm and not "looking" the gun into the holster. Debris mostly bunched up clothing is the culprit

....we're all concerned about qualifying tests here when we should be more concerned about our 2A rights being violated.....omo.

You just answered your own question, LPVO.. The MP is going to be a red dot with magnification. Does it need to be an LPVO? So many nice scopes out there that will work just fine.

I like LPVO. Not a fan of magnifiers behind a red dot, or fixed mag optics on ARs. I had an Aimpoint 3x magnifier in a flip to side mount, I ditched it after a year of use. I had a 4x Trijicon ACOG - traded it for a Trijicon SRS red dot sight. I started with a 1-6 Strike Eagle and found I liked the concept, but not that specific optic. I now have three LPVO: • Two Steiner P4Xi 1-4 - each on an AR • One Trijicon Accupower 1-4 on a Ruger American 5.56 boltgun I got each of then on sale and each cost me under $400 without a mount (expect to pay another $100-$200 for a quality mount). If you break out of the $300-$400 optic range (base price, not sale price), you get a better optic for less weight. I found the budget LPVO are nice to dip your toes into the category as you get a lot of value for little cost. It lets you experiment a bit and see what you like. Then, if you find yourself seeing them as a benefit, research what options you want and look for an upgrade. You will get better glass, better eye relief, better focus range, and lighter overall weight, with the higher quality options.

Point of order: Cops have to qualify with their off duty guns and holsters (read: concealed carry) as well as their duty guns. The time and accuracy standards do not change. Therefore - Cops are successfully completing HQC1 and HQC2 from concealment 2x a year.

Agree. It was beaten into me long ago that there's no such thing as in 'unintentional discharge"...

I've been using motor oil for over 20 years with great results and no issues. I just started adding Lucas oil additive to my straight motor oil, it adds thickness so it holds better. You can try different combinations and make your own custom formula. I will also use a light grease now and then.

Mr. Stu, with no disrespect intended to you, a well-respected poster, this entire page and a half of angst over new training requirements is based on third party hearsay?

All that "draw and fire" bullshit in the qual is for cops only...as we cant even carry OWB like they can. So unless they are going to make cops draw from the concealed position they can pound salt.

The Second Amendment: So there are 2 distinct groups called out here (the comma matters): A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms The training laws/rules in question have nothing to do with group 1, they are all about group 2 as they pertain to what requirements "the people" have to adhere to in order to bear arms. This has nothing to do with militias. Then the final clause comes in: "shall not be infringed". For our purposes in discussing the NJ CWP requirements: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" is all that matters.

The ALG Defense Advanced Combat Trigger (ACT) is designed for those shooters where tradition, value and regulatory concerns are of primary importance. The pull of the ACT is very similar to a standard mil-spec trigger, however it is sharper and the grittiness of the stock trigger pull has been removed while the traditional reliability of a stock trigger remains. The pull weight is not lower than the M4/M16 minimum weight specification of 5.5lbs. Can't go wrong with these! I love them!

They didn't care about the law or the Constitution for DECADES and got away with it. IMO they will continue to do EVERY possible thing they can think of, legal or not, to make it as difficult as possible to obtain a NJ carry permit. If it's not legal it will still be the law until it's challenged and struck down. They don't care. They've proven that over and over again. Their attempt at restricting carry pretty much everywhere made that rather obvious. They knew it probably would get struck down. But they did it anyway. They have ALL the time in the world and money doesn't matter to them because it's our money. And they suffer no consequences other than having to repel the law. At which point they will just try something else. It's all a game to them. And we are the game pieces.