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We pay these cops salary. They get to qualify for free...but we pay for it. Why do we have to pay to qualify?. The police should qualify us for free too. It costs around 500 bucks now when all said and done. That is some bullshit. They are trying to make this so hard and expensive that people wont do it. Vote them all out.

So if I read this right, I am to use deadly force to stop a person from killing or hurting themselves? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE IDIOTS?

You know they are full of shit when they lie in the first sentence. Introduction: Use of Force Training for Civilians Unlike an active duty law enforcement officer, private citizens have no responsibilities to protect the public. https://www.alternet.org/2022/06/supreme-court-cops-protect-individuals

They dont proof read shit. Looks like another 3-4 pages of bullshit forms added to the never ending bullshit package for the PTC. They think we are to be treated like a retired police officer. When I get their pension then I will act the same. Until then They can fuck off. "Shall not be infringed'.! I hope this shit gets shot down in court. FPM!

The qual I took at GunFor Hire IS substantially similar. My permit is good for 2 years. I already spent more hundreds than I care to for a 2 year permit. They can suck my ass if they want me to do more before my 2 years are up. I am not a retired cop and i dont need to train to be one.

I don't see any issue carrying there absent a sign forbidding it.

Probably came over the border with one of the illegals, they didn’t want it either.. They sent it back.

I haven't seen any announcements but this showed up on the NJSP website today. https://www.nj.gov/njsp/firearms/forms.shtml Scroll down to the "Permit to Carry" section. There are several forms that were added today. The training is called "PTC Use of Force and Qual [PDF – 485kb]" This shows the new course of fire which is very similar to the NJSP course of fire. Unnecessarily complex to exercise a constitutionally enumerated right - in my opinion. Also interesting is "S.P.182a - PTC - Additional Handguns Intended to be Carried" which is a form that says "2C:58-4 Permits to Carry Handguns - One permit shall be sufficient for all handguns owned by the holder thereof" but gives a place to list all the firearms you intend to carry - which I don't believe is a requirement in the new law. Good news is that it seems that any instructor of the NRA, GOA, etc is okay to do the training. I don't see any requirement on the form or instructions to list the location of the training. The new law says that training must happen at a range listed on the NJSP website. Odd that there is no mention of that requirement. Also odd is the fact that the course of fire description says "Interim Training" at the bottom of the page. I think I have more questions than answers about this.

Yes. Its says to KILL THEM before they KILL THEMSELVES!

on point.

.......self protection isn't just for folks who can kneel behind a barrier and shoot weak hand....other states understand this.

Page 5: "III. Imminent Danger In addition to a reasonable belief that the individual presents a threat, you must determine that there is an imminent need for the use of force. Imminent danger are threatened actions or outcomes that are immediately likely to occur during an encounter absent action by the retired officer. The period of time involved is dependent on the circumstances and facts evident in each situation and is not the same in all situations. The threatened harm does not have to be instantaneous, for example, imminent danger may be present even if a subject is not at that instant pointing a weapon at the private citizen, but is carrying a weapon and running for cover to gain a tactical advantage. IV. Force Options The private citizen must be familiar with the basic force options that may be available to respond to the use of force against the private citizen, to protect life or property or to prevent the commission of a crime" ------ I guess nobody proofread this? They didn't change the term, "the retired officer." The also missed the period in IV.

"Interim" requirements/forms have been posted: https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/pdf/PTC_use_of_force_and_Qual.pdf https://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001Kl9N542raXHZSANWgcHyTX7r_Sl8m7VIIv4BuGpswLLbqAFdwgQq_EvOuREsaK8JKSTF-BftfcQmSPPIZbkVftnl1BQJHB5iKphYzvwNPrNAh4LAup2nIu_psEAVmHT4OC-p4DaUH5cDQ4FJgtmyHW_V2b_7bMQ2sr6rrNhDiWG3jTmWJTYqvEO7RxQZ7CD4emfjxtJhQQJsDMOg4t1JmA==&c=caJZhwep3B2prlHMzA28XY02-iROcOpG8w4A7-f52R7ixuNTXk_iuQ==&ch=vQwrHBFWAtcaqHAqX8_8QL35va2yV4FbcfSX1w5ohiCP7vwRoep9eA== https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/pdf/sp-182_PTC_Safe_Handling_and_Proficiency_Certification.pdf https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/pdf/sp-182a_PTC_Additional_Handguns_Intended_to_be_Carried.pdf

Sorry for your loss.

First - not a LVPO. That’s a scope. Second - That optic is SFP. An integral BDC reticle wouldn’t be ideal across that range of magnification as the reticle stays the same size regardless of the magnification. You’ll have to do math in whenever you change magnification in order to fully use the BDC. Yes. BDC reticle dare caliber specific. Some are even barrel length, projectile, and velocity specific.

HOLY CRAP! Delaware County said about two weeks for me to get an approval letter in the mail. They approved me and mailed the letter in one day! I got it today! I can now carry in NJ, PA and DE without any bullshit! Tomorrow, I'll probably get run over by a bus or stuck by lightning!

OK, I did a little research - answered my own questions. Gosh!! This sounds like a very non-partisan, scientific and even-handed group addressing our Constitutional Rights! /sarc off Nico Bocour - Lawyer and VP, State Initiatives with anti-2A group Giffords https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicola-bocour-b2a1a59 - so she's presumably the required Commission member who represents the group advocating against gun violence. Jennifer Chuang - pediatrician in Paterson at St. Joseph's Medical Center, who according to her Facebook page is "outspoken about healthcare in social justice" - https://www.facebook.com/DrJenniferChuang4NJ/ sooo, a full-fledged SJW from one of the state's most gang-infested cities. So, she's the Member of the American Academy of Pediatrics that the law requires for this Commission. Jeremy Ershow - A NY lawyer previously appointed my NJ's AG to the Stateside Affirmative Firearms Enforcement (SAFE) office... so, another rabid anti-gun-rights person. Here's an article explaining his SAFE role - filing lawsuits against gun manufacturers, etc. https://www.njoag.gov/acting-ag-platkin-appoints-leaders-of-new-firearms-enforcement-office/ Nashon Hornsby - Lawyer, and Assistant Director with the NJ Dept of Health... hails from Trenton, one of the other most gang-infested cities in the state... huh, seeing a trend here? https://www.linkedin.com/in/nashon-hornsby-3a25a018?original_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F Robert Nixon - is a Trenton lobbyist and Director of Government Affairs for the New Jersey State Policemen’s Benevolent Association (PBA). https://www.fels.upenn.edu/academics/instructors/robert-nixon ??Timmy Oh?? - (not sure if he's still a member since his name wasn't listed on the latest minutes) - but he's supposedly a "firearm safety expert" who looks about 15 years old - and whose company designs biometric and RFID guns - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ohtimmy Lt. Col. Joseph Brennan - retired head of NJSP, apparently now a political appointee of Phil Murphy. Apparently, there's supposed to be 7 members of this commission - so which one "advocates for 2A rights" as required by the law? I certainly wouldn't think ANY of these people represent us! And if Timmy Oh is actually gone, is the seat just sitting empty? Have you ever seen a more stack and unbalanced Commission? What a joke! Any pro-2A person would immediately be outnumbered 6 to 1.

Gov. Murphy Booed Off Stage During Jersey Shore Concert (VIDEO) (msn.com)