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I know that Hornady's "Critical Defense" offerings pass muster as not hollow points as did Federal's Expanding Full Metal Jacket (no longer made) and Corbon PowR ball (availability unknown). These three offerings were cited by name in a 2009 NJSP memo. That was almost 15 years ago and while ammunition has advanced I'm not sure the ruling has kept up. The ATFE (Association of firearm and toolmark examiners) supplied the NJSP the definition of a hollow point bullet as, quite simply as: A bullet with a cavity in the nose to facilitate expansion. It was based on this definition that the three offerings above were blessed for NJ use. How much of a cavity does there need to be? Hornady pretty much owns this market right now with the original Critical Defense and Critical Duty (the latter not specifically named but in essence identical to CD except for bullet weight). I ask this in light of Winchester's new offering: USA Ready Defense ammunition which follows Hornady's lead by using a polymer insert in the bullet nose. However, the insert is set back slightly in the nose cavity and is not a solid piece, but rather has petals that work with the skived bullet jacket to insure expansion. Does this pass muster as not a hollow point? Will it take a court case to decide that? [/IMG] Part 2 Given that I post here so infrequently, I need to get as much said in each post as I can. Recently I e-mailed the following to every member of both NJ Senate and NJ House Law & Public Safety Committees... NEW JERSEY FIREARMS LAW ENDANGERS CITIZENS Like it or not, with the U. S. Supreme Court’s decision in the Bruen case, the number of legally armed civilians in New Jersey has increased exponentially. With that in mind, there is currently a law on the books with which all New Jersey residents should be concerned. It has to do with prohibited types of ammunition. New Jersey is the only state in the union that has a law which prohibits hollow point ammunition. This law is patently misguided and a danger to all, even more so now that there are more guns among us. The problem arose when someone conflated hollow point bullets with the infamous Teflon-coated, KTW bullets, improperly dubbed “cop-killer bullets”. The two bullet types are diametrically opposed in their purpose and performance. The KTW bullets were invented for penetration of hard targets like automotive glass or doors and were to be used by the police in the case of barricaded subjects. The purpose of hollow point ammunition is to limit penetration by expansion of the projectile. This facilitates the total transfer of energy within the target. This effectively eliminates whatever threat existed, while negating any collateral damage caused by over penetration. With the increase of civilian arms on the street, which are most likely loaded with high penetration, full metal jacketed ammunition, due to the prohibition of hollow points, the potential for over penetration and collateral damage is greatly increased. Most police departments are issued hollow point ammunition for this very reason. This situation is easily remedied. The terms “hollow nose” and “dum-dum” need to be removed from the verbiage of statute 2C:39-3(f) thus allowing use of hollow point ammunition. This should be a bipartisan issue that will protect all NJ residents from the chance of harm brought about from this misinformation. I didn't receive even an acknowledgement, let alone a form letter or constructive reply from any of them. Kind of tells you where we stand in their list of priorities. This should be a no-brainer (perfect for politicians), non-partisan issue, but....crickets. That's all for now. Adios, Pizza Bob

FID, P2P and CCW are all electronic and you print it yourself. No hard copies anymore so you can stop checking the mail!

We should do that EVERYWHERE there's an anti-store. Remind them of THEIR LOSS.

Places that serve alcoholic beverages are off limits. Liquor stores and BYOB restaurants are fine!

When I go by that way, I will make it a point to stop by and tell them I was going to buy a pair of glasses today, but due to that sign....Oh well!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/22/exclusive-republicans-drafting-bills-to-remove-joe-biden-from-ballots-in-georgia-arizona-pennsylvania/ I just cant believe how far behind the strategic 8 ball the "republican" party is. this is what the democrats want, why are we doing it for them? I get the payback for what the communists are doing to Trump but doing their dirty work? "Republicans" time is rapidly running out , less than 11 months. If you all dont get behind trump we are going to lose the entire game.

The reality is it shouldn’t happen at all. But with the Democrats trying to mimic Colorado in NY, CA, and somewhere else (AZ?) the republicans need to do something. At the end of the day SCOTUS needs to smack it all down as unconstitutional political BS.

Salem County, NJSP (Bridgeton barracks)

I am under the impression that it's places that serve alcohol, not places that sell it.

Ever spent time at the bar at an Elks club. They take their drinking seriously !! (I'm an Elk)

I was at Short Hills Mall the following Christmas season, so I guess that would have been 2014... ? The mall was closing for the evening and when my friend and I walked back into the parking garage, it was nearly deserted and there was NO security ANYWHERE to be seen. I mean ZIP. So, they had already "forgotten" about poor Dustin Friedland and his young widow merely one year after his death. So, yeah, that mall going "gun-free" a decade later doesn't surprise me at all. Still shameful though... not to mention incredibly stupid with their close proximity to Newark. All of those nice, upscale towns within 30 minutes of Newark (Short Hills, Montclair, Glen Ridge, etc.) are rich targets for gangbangers, and they all get more than their share of random, terrible violence that crops up on occasion.

During a recent qualification, I had the opportunity to fire a .45 EFMJ into ballistic gelatin.

RIP Dustin Friedland - Murdered in front of his wife inside the parking garage at Short Hills Mall December 2013. It seems the mall and store owners have forgotten.

That's a feature of the law, not a bug. They are salivating at A permit holder injuring a non combatant with overpenetration so they can say see we told you it would be the wild west.

THAT'S why i think it's ridiculous that they want this list.

submitted ours....makes no difference if your carrying a legal firearm.....they have all that info. any way from gun registration...omo.

Factory wadcutters in a j frame are my preferred carry ammo over hollowpoints. Reasons? I've listed these before but will do it again. 1. The load is easy on your revolver and you. Low recoil and muzzle blast. Greater control for followup shots. 2. The bullet starts out in an efficient shape. A hollowpoint has to expand a bit to get the way a wadcutter comes out of the barrel. 3. Adequate penetration. A 2" 38 spl shooting a 148 gr hbwc will give about 16" of penetration in ballistic gel (as will a 32 acp or 32 long but that's another topic). The reason is the hollow base keeps the bullet punching straight through because the weight is all forward. RNL, SWC, and JHP will all tend to tumble in the target because all the weight is in the rear of the bullet. Reloads? I'll carry 158 SWC as it reloads easier Easier and gives similar terminal ballistics at the cost of a bit more recoil. 357s in a j frame are a waste IMO. Penetration is about the same as comparable 38 spl loads. You do get greater expansion at the cost of heavier recoil and muzzle blast. My favorite load in a j frame 357 is Federal 147 gr 38 +p+. Recoil is manageable, muzzle flash isn't bad, and I've chronoed it as just shy of 1000 fps from a 2". Similar ballistics as a 147 gr 9mm. It's over 1000 fps or more in a 4" or longer 357 and much more controllable.

The ‘real’ enemy of the people of this country has been .gov for at least all of my 56 years..

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