Maksim

thank you jen..... =) your insight is obviously to be taken with alot of attention and weight as you actually run a range.

Ray Ray, may want to rethink that.... =) We have a ton of LE here... and it wouldnt surprise me if someone knocks on your door. lol. JoeJaxx..... you are reallly not getting the point..... Yes, if you follow the law to a T... it is legal..... however>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NONE OF IT MATTERS IN THE EYES OF THE STATE POLICE AND AG. WITH FIREARMS, YOU ARE GUILT UNTIL YOU CAN PROVE YOU ARE INNOCENT. Then get that notirized by a notary public, on the approved list, on the 5th sunday of the year, every fith leap year, of when the 2nd saturday of the year has a full moon. On the line of LegalIllegal the scar is in the grey area on the legal side of the law. Having said that, if you are to be made an example of... they will. That is why..... while it may be legal in the name of the law..... find me one FFL that is willing to risk his license, and thus his income and business to sell you an unpinned FN SCAR assult rifle with a flash hider. Trust me, take the advice that many experienced people will give you. They are speaking from their years of learning, and know the process. These are people who know people who make and enforce laws. They are not some newbie who walks into a gun store wanting a Glock in a 45 to shoot it one handed ghetto style. take it this way, and I am sure my fellow mods wont mind..... you go find an FFL dumb enough to sell you an FN Scar out of the box because "it is not on the list" without at least pinning the stock, removing flash hider....., and I will send you $100 and an NJGF T-shirt with "We Told You So!" to wear to court. Your jury is 12 citizens, who are pissed off enough to be picked for jury duty, half of which most likely think that owning any guns is illegal to begin with, to whom the prosecutor shows footage of gmbOZPdvnwk , and you are the next poster boy..... and while you might plead out of it.... your neighbors and friends think you are a psycopath on a short fuse, and have to declare bankruptcy because you are broke after paying the legal fees, and fired from your workplace as a result of a lawsuit unless your boss is heavily pro 2a.

blah, 5:30 already, time to go to meeting....

yup. and the 550 or Lnl AP will be the next press. For $400, at dealer pricing and shipping, was able to get everything... press, priming system, powder dispenser, with all of the upgrades, seperate powder measure, extra turrets, all of the case prep stuff, and 5 sets of dies ( 3 rifle & 2 pistol) with both full size and collet dies for rifle, reloading manual. good thing is, when getting a bigger press, most of the stuff will work with the others. all of the reviews are pretty dang good too. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?p ... 75#enlarge

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/11/ ... tml?hpt=T1 ah, ok, 2 stents.

oh my, hope he is alright. anyone know why? But yes, while you can disagree with his morals, he continued with regan policies, lowered taxes, and did a good job of keeping the economy going.

I need for rifle, so the SDB is a waste of money for me. 550 doesnt auto index, I would want the 650. =) its ok, will get the AP later on.... but come on... how bad can a turret/single stage press be? but go read the reviews for the Lee Classic Turret press.

Let me know if anyone wants in, or you want dealer pricing on it. I am picking up a lee classic turret press.... it really is the best value in my mind, and will be a good stepping stone to a full progressive in the future. I did all the numbers yesterday, and after spending $400 on a Hornady/Dillon progressive, you are then spending another $300 to $400 for all the accessories, shell plates, etc. For the calibers I plan to reload, I counted that I need 6 different shell plates, at $30 a pop.... $180 in metal. lol.

btw, I am myself in late 20's. =) and yes, in the begining I saw it as a crystal clear line. After going to the firearms meetings/hearings in Trenton, and talking to FFL's, and being friendly with local detectives, I am finally starting to realize the big picture, and while there is a fine line.... it is covered up by the big grey area. I would love to have a vendor chime in here, or someone who HAD a C&R in the past.

I think most people have thought that in the past because a lot of the popular rifles are on the blacklist (AR-15, AK47). So people are just used to running rifles in general through the feature banlist "filter" because they have AR-15 and AK47 clones but forget to turn the filter off when it comes to other rifles which are not as popular and not on the list. Partially, true, however the vast majority of the people do not want to take the risk. Trust me, when you get pulled over, or are at the range when the state police comes for inspection... they are not going to immediately care if your SCAR is on the list or not. You will be arrested, and your precious scar will be taken into evidence. Then you will have to convince a lawyer to take your case, pay the big retainer, go to court, prove to the prosecutor that your FN Scar is not on the list, and then they will throw it out. Then after time, they will return your rifle... hopefully. Once again, we know the rifle is not on the list, and 95% of the dealers know that it is not on the list, however you dont have to convince the dealer, you have to convince the state police. Much like when the state police sent a letter to all the C&R holders telling them that NJ deems them to be a Dealer, and they have to follow all of the FFL regulations. If they didn't, they would be in violation and can be jailed. It happened. Even though the C&R is a federal type of license... in NJ it does not apply after the State Police said so. So given the circumstance..... would you rather take the risk, or pin the friggin stock. And btw... I dont think any dealer will let you walk out without at least pinning it.

moved it.

funny! :clap:

I would contact them individually.

I'm in agreement with you here, and trust me I'd love it if someone on this board would transfer an intact SCAR or ACR into my hands with NJ paperwork, but I know the second I took it to the range, questions would be asked. Well we can start informing people like I am in this thread Joe, you really are not understanding this.... WE all are in agreement with that fact that if you follow the law to a T, the Scar is legal and you can go apeshit with it because it is not on the named list.... HOWEVER.... the New Jersey State Police, whose job is to interpret and execute the laws, does not care. Most of they time they themselves do not know the laws, and throw everything in together, and often times, calls FFL's for clarification. Besides that, many FFL's will not risk their license by selling you one of them. If I was an FFL, and was in the business of selling firearms, I would not put my license on the line to sell 1 FN Scar as it is. Pinning the FN and putting in a muzzle break is cheap insurance. Why would any FFL risk losing their lifeline by not doing so? FWIW, last time I was in PA at a gun show, I saw a few FN Scar's there.... no dealer would sell them to a NJ resident.

I can attest that the 15-22 loves the federal stuff. =) on wed I shot both the 36gr and 40 gr federal stuff, along with CCI mini mags and all shot very well.

Keep in mind you can also open carry in PA.... just not in philly.

Cabelas.... viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5560

I have to agree once again with Shane.... yes, the Scar is not on the banned list.... however I hope you put away 3x as much in a legal fund to prove it. and then.... what will happen when the list gets updated?

yup. wolf is made at the Tula factory.....this is Tula branded ammo. really wondering why they are seperating the lines. never the less great ammo.

humn. I dont mind the grip safety.... whats so bad about it?

not anymore. they got out of hte business a few years ago. they only stock safes now.

wait, was something else wrong with the press?

nope. went up to $8.99.... but they do have good, well, no, very good price on Tula/Wolf poly-case, 500 rounds for $114.99 and coems with 1 dry box..... and the 1k rounds for $215 comes with 2.

they all expired jan 31.

your ammo truck came? hehe. my ups lady came 3 and a half hours later than usual.... I was already out of the office. Cabelas now has $5 shipping on orders over $150.