Maksim

California when they did the approved gun list? MA? But of course NJ is more communist than California and MA. lol.

Oh this is such a personal taste question. The vast majority of wines sold in the States are under $10. There are bottles under $8 that I like far more than $100 bottles. Are these for gifts? To wine snobs or regular folks? For gifts what I like, and have even taken a big interest drinking wise are local wineries, considering I live next to a few. Generally you can find decent local wines under $20 all day long. If you want some good PA wines, can give you a few examples. Best of all, go do a winery tour and taste them. More than half of the wine we drink (Shabbat dinners and so often) will be white, as we eat lots of fish. Preference is towards Resilings, German or Australian, although one or two PA resilings I have tried are quite good. When I am in the mood for slight sweeter but not overbearing, Moscato. One of the best values in this category is the Yellowtail Moscato, about $6.50 per bottle. REALLY good, and not just good for the money. It is exceptional for the money. If you like slightly sweeter stuff and want to venture out, try some ice wines. Really good value in artificially frozen and one of my new favorites is the Vin de Glaciere Riesling by Pacific Rim Winery. Around $14 for a half bottle which is exceptional for an "ice wine." Going into the Reds it really is all about personal preference and subjective. At this point though I do believe the California wines are generally overpriced, particularly in the States, and you can have a Bordeaux of equal or better value once you start paying more than $30 a bottle. Here I prefer Cabs... but for pairing with a steak... Syrah/Shiraz! One decent value Syrah is Liberty School Syrah (if still avail). Really, go find a local wine place like Canal Joes, and see when they have tastings.... that will be your best bet. And yes... Vivino is a terrific app. This beats the Walking Dead wine I just saw about a week ago.

No doubts about it. The information is there, or ways to get it do exist, as someone else mentioned, they can contact ATF who would need to contact distributors and manufactures. The big caveats are, as our Leo members mentioned, that is not enough for a warrant, and most of all, all of this information is largely in paper form and there is a significant lack of resources. Now, if you are a nail that sticks out in your town... sure I can see someone looking into your file.... but on the whole... for the million gun owners in NJ... completely impractical. in order to make it happen would require billions of dollars in salaries to go through all that data. beyond that... how would you enforce it? It is not enough for warrants.... does the town send out people to go door to door? there is a large practical distinction between could and would. Yes... they can.... but practically speaking how would they? If you want to bust people for standard capacity mags, just go hang out at Range 14. Why bother creating more work? For our FFLs here... any information from the state? Or anyone busted yet?

All this snake talk....

what did I do?

Will discuss... getting feedback from both sides.

Will see what we can do. Did it change a lot? Let me work on a few things. Lower screen brightness? =P Will have options, may take a bit.

Likely needs an update. Will take a look. I do not personally use tapatalk and the tapatalk usage is significantly decreasing (for a number of issues, and not just here).... but will take a look at it today. Will add something. The system has changed a bit from "like"/"Dislike to reactions... will make sue to add a disagree.

Good morning everyone! The forum looks a bit different? Yep. Last night/this morning I was in the process of testing some upgrades and had a slight "oops" moment. As things on the test upgrade seemed to go okay, I went ahead and updated the forum to the latest version which includes numerous performance updates, security patches and fixes for nagging items like the pages hanging up while transitioning between pages. For the next 12 to 24 hours the forum may ran a tad slower as pages re-index in the background but will get back to normal thereafter. Over the next few weeks will be enabling new features that will enhance your community experience in a number of ways including: Helping you find key information more easily and faster. A better way to organize and participate in the many "clubs" discussed in the New Jersey firearms community. (really excited). Better and more up to date information on where to shop and where to shoot. One quick feature that I am glad to have back, which was lost when we upgraded the NJGF Chat Room a few years ago was the ability to see who was in the chat, without having to enter it. Right now you can find that information in the box at the bottom of the main page. (This may be moved in the near future as we figure out where it works best.) Another "fix" which will make things far easier to upload pictures is the ability to paste straight into the message box. If you use a screen capture tool like "Snipping Tool" (available as a feature of Windows), you can crop/copy, and paste right into the message/reply box, rather than having to save the image and upload it. So... it is 5AM... I hope you enjoy the updates, there will be LOTS MORE to come. In the mean time, there may be a few issues, if you run into any, send them as a message and let me know. All of this costs time and money and your help is always appreciated. If you have not yet, and would like to help keep this place running, please consider becoming a Premier Member which you can do by visiting the store or clicking here. Thanks! -Maks

Resolved. This was a google issue.

WTF did you link to.... There is tinfoil.... and then there is this... Reading the comments you full on idiots... one was claiming that Hitler did not kill Jews and it was the Jews who declared war on Germany. ooooookay.

Just the last point on this... having the forum for 10 years, one thing becomes crystal clear... your typical law abiding person is not a gang banger... they are doctors, lawyers, cops, business owners, otherwise upstanding citizens. Imagine the headlines when one of them gets their house broken into to be made an example of. The backlash would bring the national guard to take over. Who is going to be made example of? Your hoodrat who knocks over a bodega in Newark and just happens to have a 17 round mag for his Glock. Why make an example out of a law abiding citizen when you have 100's of examples monthly from people who already don't give a crap about anyone but themselves? Parading a gang banger with priors makes for much better publicity than a 75 year old retired war veteran who was clueless about the law. I don't think so... at the very least I would hope Kaleda would use his real name when posting here.

apologists? Everyone here is pissed off about 10 around mag limits. We ALL know it is stupid and won't prevent any crimes.... BUT IT DOES NOT MATTER! NJ is 100% controlled by Democrats, and hate to break it to you, largely Democratic voters who at best do not care about gun issues or at worst want to push for more gun control. Until that changes, gun owners in NJ are the minority. People have tried for years to change this... I have been to plenty of hearings in Trenton, and thousands went to Trenton in the rain. THEY DO NOT CARE. The only way things change are.... 1. NJ population suddenly feels gun control is not an issue and is pro gun (long term plan), or 2. We get help from the Supreme Court. If you believe in a free Democratic society with a representative democracy... this is what it is. You have to be an idiot to think otherwise. If the vast majority want to push for more gun control (which Supreme Court does not say they cannot).... they can do that. Gun owners have to prove through the Supreme Court that gun control is a violation of 2A. If your main priorities are gun rights... NJ is not the state to live in. This is part of the reason we moved out a few months ago. What we are are realistis. What we are (generally) not are tinfoil wearing fear mongers living under constant fear. Yes... gun control is a big topic for Murphy... but he is not Hitler trying to round up the Jews. 10 round mag limits are a large inconvenience and a cost issue for gun owners, but look, we are all adults here... instead of 2 15 round mags, you can have 150 10 round mags. This is a completely moronic law... but this is not Hitler invading Poland or Kristallnacht as this was referred to. Democrats have not torched gun stores or taken out FFL owners and shot them. (there is a pun there for you. lol). Democrats made their move.... gun owners now respond by trying to take it to the highest court in the nation.

LOL. Actually, I have ZERO issue with you... or any member for that member thinking the cops are out to get them or the helicopters are coming. ZERO.... Everyone is entitled to their opinion. This is not what this whole topic was about. This was all about 2A authorities fear mongering something that was not likely to happen, as a certainty. That is all that this is about. But... I do take issue with.... "LEOs and attorneys chiming in here have a vested interest in pretending no abuse of the law ever happens, since their livelihoods depend on the rest of us rubes having at least a grudging respect for the judicial system." No one is denying there are not abuses in the system... but this comment is completely wrong about the LEO members here, who are community members... and IF ANYTHING... would likely be the first to stand up for US. With that mindset... if you are not going to have any faith at all in the judicial system... why live in America in the first place? If you know you are getting screwed... why not move to the middle east or China? There is "tinfoil" and then there is TINFOIL.... believing people are out to get you.... the 4th degree crime of possessing high capacity mags is the least of the issues. Anyone should wish to have the police blow through your doors to look for high capacity magazines... (if you did not have any warrants or commit any other crimes).... because it will mean a big fat suit for civil liberties violations that will move you from anytown NJ to Rumson or Alpine.

I never said "they have no records of what HANDGUNS you own." I did say they have no records of what magazines you own, or most guns you may own. There are ZERO records on magazines. There are few records which are very scattered on long guns you purchased (P2P transactions were not reported to any agencies). There are ZERO records for guns you may have LEGALLY purchased outside of NJ and brought into the state. I.e. You bought 569 handguns in Florida while you lived there. You moved to NJ. The records that they do have.... are paper. They would need to spend thousands of hours trying to locate everything and piece it together for who owns what and when. Bought a handgun 20 years ago? Good luck trying to get them to find the paperwork for it. There are hundreds of thousands of guns in NJ that have very little to no paper trail.... and those are just the legally owned ones. lol.

I was never saying you were stating that... I am saying what others have said, including Nappen with "Expect Police Contact." or something like that. As far as on that pistol permit, please tell me where it says what magazines you have for it. You can order that gun with 10 round mags, 15, or if you want you can use 33 round mags in there or even bigger drums. All they know is you have a Gen 5 Glock 19... big freaking deal.... Where does it say you have 15 round magazines? Where does it even say you bought it with magazines? I have purchased plenty of guns with no mags. Or who says it is even a complete gun? It could simply be the frame of a Gen 5 Glock 19. what they need, the proof... is that you have 15 round mags now. Remember... innocent until proven guilty? As far as contacting Glock.... aint going to happen. And in that case... no one knows what happened between that time and when it came to the FFL. Mags get swapped, altered, etc.

And since it will inventively come up.. Aiken case.... HE BROKE THE LAW and had his 18 round mags or whatever it was.... NO ONE was out looking for him. The only reason it came up was that his family called the police. This is how I see those 15 round mags becoming an issue, just like how every other sane person here says it would... as part of you doing something else stupid. (domestic disturbance, DWI, warrants, etc.) Is it POSSIBLE that there will be door to door searches and follow ups? Sure.... just like it is possible a meteor will strike earth tomorrow, public disclosure of aliens, zombies, or Hillary admitting she was wrong. IF any of that happens, there will be far more pressing issues to face than dealing with that crime. ... and that's the point.

No one is denying that the 10 round mag limit is now the law. No one. There was never any issue with it. But stating that the police are GOING to come to you, or that they have records of exactly what you own and what magazines you have is just plain wrong. "Just because you say L/E are unlikely to pro-actively enforce the ban doesn't mean they won't" To that we can say... "Just because you own a gun doesn't mean you will not go shoot up a school." They are both asinine statements, that are both POSSIBLE.... but not likely to happen. Keep in mind you have had MULTIPLE law enforcement officials, both active and retired, as well as attorneys who were on both the prosecution and defense sides TELLING YOU you have a higher chance of winning the lottery than have the cops bust down your door tonight looking for 15 round mags. Just think of this logically for 30 seconds... IMAGINE the police going door to door... and while 90% will comply out of being oblivious... you do have 1 or 2% who are going to kill some people when the police come busting down doors. Can you imagine the liability that would arise out of it? IF the state orders people going to door... THE LAST problem anyone here will be thinking about is whether or not your mags are 10 rounds or more. Now, let's take a reality check... Will you get charged IF you do something else stupid? ABSOLUTELY.... but should you be worried that the black helicopters are coming FOR YOU? no.

Last weekend in april?

Will do a more comprehensive list later... but more meetups.

So both of these are very valuable comments and my question. There have been a number of people who see nothing wrong in mongering and dealing with this "worst case scenario" that may possibly happen. Personally, I find it distasteful that the Pro 2A right in NJ is stooping down to the same level. Screaming that the police is going to go door to door to search for your guns, or comments like "They know what magazines you have" are just as bad as people on the left saying... "Legally owned guns are just waiting to kill someone." or "A legally owned gun is only one incident away from shooting up 500 kids in a school." It's one thing for someone who is just a regular person to say it, and I am 100% fine with simply ignoring those tools, but when you have an attorney saying those things... I draw the line. Once again, if GFH Anthony, or anyone else in NJ said it... would be one thing... but Evan Nappen, AS AN ATTORNEY.... that was over the line. Again, my opinion.

Lots of really valuable discussion here. Will ask to keep personal attacks out of it... or take it up over PM. We can express ourselves fairly well without namecalling... and we are at the end of the day gun owners and decent human beings. thanks.

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@Pizza Bob has organized a bunch of Starbucks meetups in the past. I am totally down for them. What area? Generally it was in the warmer months, but plenty of places that have good amounts of space. Also know of a certain cafe owner in Central Jersey so that might work too. =) .... but but but but they can look at your pistol permits and assume you have 30 round clippazines! =P Thanks for providing your particular viewpoint giving folks some more common sense.

Ugh.... just want to cry....