Maksim

The key is... communication between the groups... there is not much of that. When I was on board of NJ2AS, half the people did not like the focus, others did not think they were doing enough, etc. The groups do need to come together for the big cases... but ultimately I still think it will fail. The longer term solution is to get more people in NJ involved with guns and then change legislation.

So the problem is... the most radical folks will turn the group into a bunch of extremists... happened before, would happen again. When some of those groups outright scold and make gun owners who do not agree with them feel like scumbags... it is very easy to just say F it! IF I was a Liberal democrat in NJ... I would LOVE the posts Nappen and others make. To a "regular" person, they make gun owners seems like tinfoil wearing lunatics.

And what practical impact has that had? I would argue none. At the end it was a business decision and guess what, the Liberals would LOVE to claim it as "We stopped and forced Barrett from selling 50 caliber assault guns that shoot down airliners." The PR then in turn had a positive impact on the free states. I don't understand "NJ FFLs can do the same and refuse to sell anything over 10 rounds to anyone." You mean even LE? You are not going to get 100% of FFLs to participate and even still, nothing forces the state or some enterprising liberal for opening up an FFL to sell those guns just to LE. Washing DC did just that.

If you want to know the answer to that S&W question, let me know via PM. lol. I happen to know the answer as to what they hoped for. The broader answer is... Out of the major companies I know of 1 brick producing handgun manufacturers who really is Pro 2A... (for the most part), and some were rather apathetic. A few were Pro-Dem. From the smaller manufacturers... many are truly Pro 2A and would have rather seen their profits decline than 2A encroached. The other thing to think of... many of the larger companies are not run by gun people, but retail sales folks from other industries. To them.. it is just a widget... Read my gun series on Seeking Alpha on this topic.

I think we are disconnected here... Guns will NEVER be outlawed. There will always be some sort of gun ownership as it is guaranteed by the 2A. The constant FEAR of impeding gun control scares people into buying more guns and shooting more. Gun sales are down meaningfully (on the whole, across the nation) ever since Trump was elected. This has nothing to do with economy but rather that generally, outside of NJ and a few other states, people are not afraid they will not be able to buy in the future. This is why Smith and Wesson has plummeted from $32 a share to $13, Vista and Ruger have also suffered. And a few key distributors are nearly in default of their loans to investment banks.

Take a stand? How? Gun control is a license to print money for gun businesses. CEOs of major gun companies were HOPING Hillary wins as it would mean millions more in profits. (first hand info)

Heh, then I was lucky... always got permits in about 14 days.

The thing is... there have been plenty of times when FFLs sold things that were supposedly legal... which were later deemed illegal. In general... FFLs will sell what they think is legal, until they are told they are not. M1 Carbine clones were the last one I remember.

Breitbart makes shit up.... NJSP called them to fix their statement. I am waiting for the "Don't trust what NJSP is telling you" posts...

Going to FB this... sooo much flame here.

From a thing I saw somewhere... state dealers are supposed to have a high capacity magazine register now apparently.

I think it was Assault Capacity Clipazines

Jason, Thank You.

You mean a plastic container, a metal spring and a small piece of plastic? How does that make you safer? =P

The same copies of pistol permits go to the State... so they do have them. Yes, they can knock on the door to say hello... but they are not at all likely to get a warrant to seek out your handgun mags. If the chief did come knock on the door... "Thank you for the information, have a nice day." You don't have to respond to the question. Of course, yes, most would be intimidating into asking but even still, word would get out very quickly. Besides, if it takes 4 months to get your pistol permits, do you honestly think they have time to go door to door to "tell you the good news."

For those that do not recall... what did happen during Katrina and guns?

The only organization? Hardly. NJ2AS and CNJFOA are just two that I feel do much more and have done much more in their much shorter existence. And not against lawyers... but one fear monger in particular who is seemingly more self interested in self than actual gun rights. After all, based on his own posts, he has been fighting for NJ gun rights for the past 30 years... as such... I am trying to find any recent wins...

ROFLMAO!

This is a sensationalist headline meant for nothing more than page views and fear mongering. They are basing it on one quote out of a previous comment, which we discussed in another thread. There is NOTHING there that says they are planning on going door to door. Of course, the NJSP cannot say they are not going to do something as it is not their call.

So this is the crux of the problem.... What is "permanently modified"? While experienced gun folks can easily modify a mag, the majority of gun people are never going to open up a magazine. And if from the factory it says 10 rounds... who is going to argue otherwise?

Thanks and you are right, I should have been more clear. What I am talking about is particularly the last 2 to 3 years, and more nationally as it relates to CCW data I am seeing. Of course, gun transactions have been dropping like a rock for the past two years as well with double digit declines.

We are talking about "legal" gun owners.... or folks you would be okay dating your kids!

While clearing up some gun stuff came accross a few t-shirts from our last buy that remained unsold. These are the original shirts feturing the NJGF logo on the front and the full back. I only have the following: Guys/Unisex XL - 1 White, 4 Black Women's Fitted/trim fit in White: 2 Large. I also have 1 with a small stain on it, will include for free to whomever takes them. Regular/baggier: 3 Large in white, 2 XL in white, and 1 XL in white which has a small stain. Again, will include to whomever buys the other, or send me a pm. You can purchase them in the store... https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/store/category/7-shirts/ Thanks!

And Monmouth is one of the only counties with a Republican representative.

The numbers I saw were around 1.2 million gun owners, so that is not households... I believe the annual state police report may have and that it can be based on the number of issued FIDs. Now... having said that... at least 50% of those are people who have guns, but are not "gun people." By this I mean people who either inhereted guns, or bought a gun for home defense and haven't actually shot it. To them... 10 round mag limits seems just fine. Take out hunters, and I would estimate the true number of people who are both interested in guns and actually shoot them is closer to 250,000 and likely declining.