Maksim

And if that happens, make sure you call a good CRIMINAL lawyer... and not a "gun lawyer."

Everything is all about "acceptable levels of risk." Just don't run over a kitten or beat up a hooker on the way to the range!

We are not talking about the United States as a whole.. we are talking NJ. It is a VERY different world, don't believe me? So here I am in a rural area in Eastern PA. Across the street I have a neighbor who shoots in his back yard, on the other side a guy who shoots in his basement. On the other side of our development is a guy who built a nice range for himself and routinely shoots full auto stuff. No one bats an eye. Now... imagine I told you this was say... Princeton, NJ, Livingston, etc. How quickly would that get called in and I have SWAT on my doorstep? The general population of NJ is severely different in views than the broader United States. The notable exceptions are Western and Pine Barrens. Almost anywhere else, i.e. where people generally live... it is blue.... and THEY think that gun owners are generally weird people and that there is a real difference between a 10 round "clipazine" and a 15 round one. That is why I think it is pointless to go through Jersey courts.... if we want to defend, we need help from Supreme Court. If gun owners want to go on the offensive, we NEED MORE NUMBERS! We need soccer moms, school teachers and others to go out to the range, hold a gun, and to see that we are responsible people. Posting "Police are coming!" messages on Facebook, is pointless because that in turn just solidifies gun owners as the tinfoil extremists we supposedly are. Want to make a difference? Bring a non-gun person to the range...

Who knows? I do think one or two criminals will be made examples of (i.e. committing a crime which just happened to have a 15 round mag)... but your general person going to the gun range? There would be far more bad press for trying to railroad your typical gun owner... i.e a 60 year old retiree.

But here is the difference, It is poor choice. Are you saying NJ is going to go door to door rounding up Jews? That is what his message meant to me. To answer your questions however, listen to the audio that was posted here of the hearing. They do discuss the issue fairly well. Ultimately it boils down to the simple fact that gun owners are a small minority in NJ. The percentage of gun owners who really care however is far less. Gun rights in NJ are going to be one of only two ways... 1. The Supreme Court steps in and guarantees them, or 2. The underlying demographics and political views change in NJ. In order to accomplish the second, we need more people to go out, pick up a gun and go shoot, and to realize that guns are not evil. Until 30% to 50% of the population believes "guns are not evil," the "do anything to stop violence" crowd will keep on re-electing their congress people. Now... here is the REALLY dirty secret... gun control is GREAT for business... particularly the incumbent players in a state where the barriers to entry are quite high. Just look at how many FFLs there are in Eastern PA vs Jersey, and the average earnings, etc. Same for ranges and affiliated businesses.

Well, for one, you sell us guns at very reasonable prices. Secondly, you give us the ability to teach basic grammar by pointing out the correct usage of "your" vs "you're."

I know... We put up with your BS steve, but you do help out with the community. Along the same lines though, it seems ANJRPC is more influential in north jersey, being part of the Cherry Ridge range... where in Central and South Jersey you really did not hear much from them.

This actually surprised me a bit. The reason why is that on Facebook, most of the posts were complete and utter support, the few dissenting opinions were quickly suppressed and people attacked by gun owners. Yet here... it seems to be quite the opposite. So what's different?

Yes! Thanks Chris! So yes... I do now feel his comments are self serving. As a Jew however, I also a bit pissed off he is comparing a 10 round mag limit to Nazis going door to door to kill you.

I believe you misread his comment here. He was agreeing with you. Interesting. I know off topic... but... Can you drive and have your phone in a hands free device or say on the dash and watch a movie while driving? er... have a movie playing while driving.

Can discuss offline, was just merely pointing out we can get our messages across without direct personal attacks.

Right or wrong everyone has the right to an opinion, particularly when it comes time to firearms. Calling someone a dumbass for their take on laws or anything firearms related only discourages people from asking questions, merely because they are afraid of someone calling them "stupid" or whatnot for what may be common knowledge for older gun owners. The main goal and why I started the community 10 years ago was to create a community of gun owners and a safe place for new, less experienced, or more conservative, older gun owners. For those that really do want to show their displeasure, there are places here to do so. We don't over-moderate or silence folks here, we only ask to behave like decent human beings.

Let's be adults and keep personal attacks from public sections. =) Keep it off at least in the 1st Amendment Lounge. =) Thanks.

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Especially for someone who has been here for more than 9 years!

That guy however actually does a lot for the gun community and the forum here. =)

welcome!

Not sure if Facebook lets you export a feed, if so, we can import. The main thing is... there are more people on the forum, then in any of the NJ facebook groups. It is just that folks use facebook more frequently for their other stuff and just happen to see gun news. It is also easier to catch a bigger event. Topics also tend to go up and die far quicker on social media than communities and I believe you can have a far better discussion here. Beyond that, again, the VAST majority of gun people in NJ get their news from the range when they go shoot, and not here or on facebook, etc. Plus do we really want to post stuff with your facebook profile? Anyone valuing privacy is not. So it is true.. while there are "more people with guns in NJ" on Facebook... there are more "gun people" on the various forums including NJGF and NJ Hunter. Beyond that, I feel it comes down to, do you want to have a serious discussion on the topic? Or do you just want to spread a message? FB will be better for spreading a message and we have it clearly in all of the "raids are coming" posts you see today. Is there any serious discussion there? Very little. Most of the comments are just kissing ass and any disagreeing comments get pounced on and personally attacked. Do forums have those moments? Yes... but I feel the people here are far more intelligent and level headed. It is not about one or the other... they both serve their purpose. The way I look at FB today is for shit posts and spreading the word. For serious discussions, just looking at our data, we have about 800 registered members who visit the forum daily, and tens of thousands who come to read but do not participate. It is easy to take it fore granted.

Vertec frame?

There will be a tech solution to that and have in the past, and do have the ability to automatically post info from here to FB, Twitter and others. I mainly visit here and Reddit. Now, you can post here and easily share it with all of those platforms... You can share the entire topic easily by clicking on one of the social media icons below the quick reply button... Or you can share an individual post by clicking on that little icon highlighted here...

We need a +100 button here. Here you go folks, an opinion from someone knowledgeable and who has been on both sides of the aisle.

Piss him off enough to report your to the BAR? =P lol

That would be me... and no, not picking a fight but rather because here you are, another attorney and I feel you rightly called his BS.

Welcome and thanks for joining us. Ask in any of the appropriate sections, we look forward to it... after all, we need a break from "Taylor Ham" and complaining about the draconian gun laws.