Maksim

I have been reached out to by another forum member who was trying to get in touch.... emails unresponded to. I HOPE everything is ok. Anyone have his phone?

Omfg, Classic Matt. Salut

Hey bud, missed ya

Jon was a shooter before he was a cop. =P But to your point, I would even go to say that for many, they just want to be safe with the gun, and have ZERO interest in competing. Ie... plenty of folks drive nice cars, but have zero interest in going out to shows or racing. Matches are a cool place to just come and hang out though.

From our pulled over thread....

That guy is so LEET.... wonder if and when he will shoot his hand off.

Shane... we don't disagree. By hold their own, I simply mean they would not be instant cannon fodder or die on their first mission. lol. Again though, as Matt stated, and Vlad... no one is saying that being good in gun "games" will make you an honest to god "operator".... Obviously we are not talking internet commandos or your stereotypical LEO. =) Re-read the post.... =) And that was also the point of the video,

Gamers gotta game!

What are the OB fees now? initial + annual?

Well i think his point is that in his classes, you first practice on the fundamentals... then you introduce a shot timer. During intro USPSA classes, we first had folks practice to safely draw and reload... THEN you introduce the timer.

I do think they would hold their own. Would they be experts in survival, and hand to hand combat? Absolutely not.... but gun handling and gun safety I would not be concerned about one bit. But that's not the point of it anyway? is it? If we are talking about pure marksmanship and gun handling.... I think the competitive shooting circles would outshoot most "pros", operators included.... However if we are talking about surviving a mission where you are tasked with taking out someone some place where you are not supposed to be..... absolutely not... and I don't think ANYONE will say otherwise.... and that is the point of Rob makes in the video...

Good point, but the Video referred to LEO... so yes. The few "operators" I do know, do successfully combine survival and have a VERY good marksmanship ability. Would they be top dog in a 3 gun match? No... but they would not really be held back.

Or would I just need to buy a small frame? How much?

Steve, can you get a 320 with full slide, compact frame?

Bolded for focus. In another post here, Vlad just mentioned that he put over 120k rounds through his M&P and wore it out.... Out of curiosity.. just to venture a guess.... who do we think is more comfortable with an M&P.... Vlad with that much experience or an average LEO whose duty gun happens to be an M&P. While I am not at 120k rounds on a single gun, I am about there between my three guns I use for matches, SVI 2011, CZ SP01 and S&W 1911. Those thousands of rounds just build muscle memory. More than that, as Vlad pointed out.... match shooters will often run their gear to the breaking point to learn the limits. It is funny though, I have not heard the term "Roland Special".... but about 6 years ago when I started shooting USPSA... it was just an "Open Glock".... a glock with a red dot and a comp. Such a gun would be laughed at here... 8 years ago. Now they are a hot commodity in the tactical crowds? Heh.... Where were they 10 years ago? =) You also see Glock, S&W and others come out with guns that have ported slides for weight savings and slide cuts to mount a red dot? Heh. I guess in 5 to 10 years we will see flared magwells, grip tape and extended based plates on the "cool" guns.... oh wait... they are already here.

So okay... watch the video... Robby speaks the truth. =) and everything we talked about here....

So.... flight simulators are also BS? =) I don't think anyone is talking about Video games... Anyone who plays Counter Strike or COD vs Operator.... yes, your thread would apply to. Clicking a mouse button and keyboard is not war.... .... but 3 Gun or even practical shooting like IDPA.... is more to real life. and.... if we agree that having full control and knowledge of your weapon is important.... then there is nothing better than matches... where shots to 15 yards are often point shooting and malfunction drills are second nature and are ALL done on the clock. (and if you have shot out in the desert... I promise... bullets ARE flying back past you as ricochets). lol. Edit: Don't forget the countless hours of dry fire and drawing practice your typical match gal/guy will be doing.

YES... and that is when habits take over. I have shot 3 or 4 USPSA Nationals over the years, and one thing I learned... is that quite often a stage plan goes out the window on pesky steel (poppers/activators) and that is when shooting ability takes over, PARTICULARLY in NJ or in divisions where you are magazine capacity constrained, where you have 10 round magazine capacities and a miss may mean an extra reload or running the gun dry. So when you do miss, your discipline takes over knowing, "hey I missed, I need to reload earlier," or "I missed, this was a possibility, I have to..." The top level guys are at a tier of their own though. In any case... you have competitive shooters going to teach LEO classes.... =) You don't have LEO coming to teach USPSA/3 gun folks. It's just different. Great topic though.

Could not have said it better. I have a ton of Respect for LEO and the job that they do, real life risks, especially those working in rougher areas.... but I also know the LEO represented on the forum... ARE NOT your typical cops with how they feel about guns. I know of 2 cops who even dread going for qualifications or having to practice (NYC) and 1 who even hated to have to wear a gun. At various matches over the years I have met and run into shooters who just happen to be LEO.... and LEO who just happened to go try out a match. The difference is vast. I would agree that the average LEO, by nature of the firearm requirement would be a better marksman than the average gun owner..... BUT.... the average guy/gal who goes to shoot any action type match (USPSA/IDPA/3 Gun) would be a better marksman than the average LEO. So for "gun skills", I would give it to the gamers. NOW... if we are talking about WAR and not getting killed in zombie apocolypse.... wait.... Zombies don't soot back. Ok, in WAR or some natural disaster, I would easily agree than an LEO would be more likely to survive. Match folks do not get shot back at..... But if it is Zombies.... gamers all the way. =)

@PK90, an awesome FFL who served NJ gun owners for a long long time, then moved out to Freedomland somewhere out in the badlands... er deserts of Arizona. =) He is an FFL who sells NJ compliant stuff and well worth your time to get to know. You can message him or visit his vendor section here... https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/forum/81-estrella-ordnance/

Oh, a block with a brake and an RMR. Eh, they have been around for a while, but it is still a block. I can understand why the tacticool crowd would like the pimp my glock, the recoil is soooooooo harsh out of a 34. Lets be honest, they are not running 9mm major loads out of them. I am not a Glock fanboy but I throw up a little seeing those. A Glock is beautiful in its own way. If you need a brake, get a proper race gun. No issues with the sight though. If you do want to play pimp my Glock, I believe Bobby Carver is the go to as far as race gun glocks.

No one will fight over a cc though, they may over cash? Perhaps I spent too much time in ghettos or "watched" Russian mob movies. Lol , or just know a few folks who have the lights, although they would not rob folks. One person I knew from the hood used his ex police crown Vic to pull someone over to get her number, he was not a cop.

Ok wth is a Roland special?

They are blocked. Upload to www.imgur.com, put link here. =) You can also upload from your phone via app.