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It sounds like this gym owner dude may be a total dirt bag, or at least did one thing we can all pretty much agree was despicable in the past. I'll take the info provided at face value. I don't really see what that has to do with his actions now. You either agree with them or don't. Personally, I think the government has stepped over a boundary here, and people have a right to push back whether they're a dirt bag or a saint. I don't think we should all be rushing out to crowd into a gym and cough all over each other risking spreading this disease further., however, it sounded like they made a solid effort to operate in as safe a manner as they could. What right does the government have to tell a business they can't operate at all? And what right do they have to tell me I can't go partake of the services or products offered by a privately operated business if I want to? People will be idiots. I get that. But I don't remember being born into a society that operated under the assumption that we needed daddy and mommy to tell us whether we are allowed to try and make a living. I get that the situation we are in is extreme, but I don't see nearly enough effort being made in consideration of people's livelihoods. Oooo... yay $1,200. How many people did that help cover their rent for one month? Thanks! I'll enjoy paying that and then some back in taxes later. If the government sees "protecting the public" as their duty then they need to wise up to the fact that peoples livelihoods need protection just as much as their health. Otherwise, butt out, provide some guidance, and realize this is 'Murica dammit! We'll figure this out and get through it. It's what we do.

That sounds like a politically correct, media facing way of saying "Greg failed to get in line." Department policy or not, sometimes situations dictate that the "right" thing to do is to break a rule. That said, if what the police chief stated is true, the officer knew exactly where he stood and did it anyway. He said what he thought he needed to say publicly and in uniform at great risk to himself, believing he needed to take some sort of stand and make a statement for the benefit of society. As a general rule the department policy makes sense. Hell, most corporations have similar policies for employees, and lots of people do things that get themselves fired. Many times its probably deserved, and people can even make the argument that in order to be a Seattle PD officer his firing was deserved, because he no longer represented the department. But, there are situations that are more extreme, that may require people to take more extreme measures. He could have said everything sitting on his couch in his boxers, but then who would have listened? I have to applaud him for standing up for what he believes in.

This is why gun laws are bad. They force us to build abominations like that... and love it. I support the rebellion.

Thanks all. Glad to be here. I look forward to getting to know people and meeting some of you in the near future.

Thanks for all that info Rosey! That was more info than I expected, and really appreciate you taking the time to post all of that to answer my question. Very informative, with a lot of resources to familiarize myself with.

What groups in NJ are the most active in petitioning for 2A rights? I know there are a few, and have seen a few threads with banter that left me with the feeling it's a bit lack luster in this state and maybe even uncooperative.

Hi All, I've made a few post, but figure I should do a proper introduction. I grew up in the midwest, but left there when I joined the Marines. After doing my 4 years active, I ended up settling in Southern California and lived there until 2012. My wife grew up in North Philly and Bucks County, PA, so we ended up relocating out here on the east coast back in 2012 to be near family. We tried the Philly burbs bit for awhile, but missed living near the ocean, so I voluntarily forfeited my 2A rights to live in Ocean County near the shore. I'll pause for the laughter... Hey a happy wife is a happy life as they say! I do enjoy the water, kayaking, etc... but for the past four years since I relocated to NJ I pretty much put my shooting past time on hold. And oh, have I missed it dearly. I've been incredibly busy with work and family and just getting settled in to the area, but if I'm being honest part of me was reluctant to succumb to the states requirements for an FID. Seeing as I can't even purchase ammo without one, well... that finally ended! From the shooting perspective I like it all, but my main interest is in defensive training. I'm looking into what training is available locally, as well as what's available within reasonable travel distances that I might be able to make it to in the next year. I've done a few IDPA shoots in the past and would love to get more into the competitive side if even just for the fun. I'd also like to get involved in fixing some of the draconian laws in this state, especially the ridiculous conceal carry restrictions. Moving out of PA and giving that up was not an easy pill to swallow! Not to mention all the firearms restrictions, but I know I'm preaching to the choir. I look forward to getting to know people here and hopefully meeting up for some events and shoots in the future!

I'm glad I caught this thread. I'm sure this has been discussed here a lot. The mashing of the two separate (NJ + Fed-Interstate) laws into the same paragraph had me confused as well. I usually drive a pickup, so my first trip to the range I was overly paranoid and padlocked both my gun case and ammo boxes. I was surprised to learn its legal to transport loaded magazines in NJ (assuming its transported legally as required for ammo). If I remember correctly in CA magazines were legally considered part of the firearm and therefore a loaded mag was technically a loaded firearm during transport. Lame! One win for NJ.

Thanks! The worse part is I stopped off in PA for 4 years on my way here, so I got to experience freedom for a bit. Both CA and NJ are awful when it comes to 2A, but if I'm being honest, in CA the laws were pretty clear cut, at least as far as what you can own. Heck when I left in 2012 I think open carry was still technically legal (albeit risky unless you had deep pockets for attorney fees). NJ law is way too ambiguous and a burden on the law abiding citizen. I hope that we can change some of that for the better. I've been in NJ for 4 years now and finally succumbed to getting my FID earlier this year. It looks like I'm here to stay for a good while, so I must comply or forfeit enjoying one of my favorite pastimes / hobbies.

Every time I Google, "Is 'fill in the blank' legal in NJ, I seem to land at this forum. Thanks to NJ gun laws I often times leave feeling even more confused than before I came. And that's saying a lot coming from someone who lived in CA for 19 years. Anyways, hello, and glad to be here. I'm a firm believer in pursuing regaining our rights and look forward to becoming part of the community.