Walkinguf61

Yep. There is also a chance they will remove the stay of the injunction after receiving initial arguments ( I am not holding my breath). The good news is that most cops aren’t going to enforce it unless pushed into the situation. NY made a mistake when they made the law and its exceptions. Out of state retirees can carry on public transportation on LEOSA but not active out of state cops on vacation? Retired police officers are exempted from the private property restrictions but a retired peace officer is not— good potential for a great complainant for additional legal action.

This was expected . What was not expected that the whole court appears voted on the appeal . It sucks for most of NY.

The fight isn’t over even if this Injunction stands. We need to get proper complainants in order to challenge some of the other sensitive locations . Like youth sports event, a plant that produces or transfers energy,( think the courts will say this doesn’t mean a gas station), public transportation hub/airport, a public place being used for a film set, etc . And we need a doctor or nurse to challenge the health care facilities prohibition. The law is too broad even if they want to make some healthcare facilities a sensitive place. I have a limited exemption to these sensitive places but it would be a real hassle if the place actually told me no. I can imagine the legal jeopardy a CCW might have if they needed emergency medical care.

The president who appointed a judge was not as important until Trump . There was an informal rule that a senator of the state the judge would cover , could veto that judge’s nomination. https://www.npr.org/2014/05/29/317127117/old-senate-tradition-lies-behind-controversial-judges-nomination Only certain judges could get through this part of the process. Especially in California, New York where the senators were/are more radical and militant. Trump broke this tradition.

The NY preliminary injunction was “ stayed” until the 2nd circuit heard the appeal. What happened? SCOTUS is asking why. ( SCOTUS hasn’t made a decision yet as to overturning the stay yet). The appeals courts just were put on notice and it is less likely to happen as a result. And unlike NY’s 2nd circuit, NJ’s circuit reports to Justice Alito, not Sotomeyer. A stay pending the appeal could happen but it’s less likely than what happened in the 2nd circuit.

PA does . Some federal buildings do that, but many other states do not. NJ and NY will not.

We will see. Even a leftist judge might follow what SCOTUS says.

That plan is now moot. They can’t expand the court without control of the House and the senate . The great news is that they went full retard on their new laws and flat out said it was In reaction to Bruen. There now will be case law against any future attempts to do when attempt to pass a scaled down version.

That, and that a large number do not want to take responsibility and give it to an authority of some type . It’s not just about guns but almost everything in life with these people .

I must say that I am impressed with some of the posters here and their understanding of the legal system. And how they seek out knowledge like the actual transcripts. I believe that if there is any delay in the decision, it will be so the judge can cite his decision well enough to make any attempt to overturn it to fruitless or make the appeals court decision to overturn it to appear be blatantly political rather than grounded in law.

And who makes the news? The person who treats the Karen call as real or the 911 operator who treats a Karen call as such and turns out to be wrong ?

No. Open and concealed carry have been seen as historically different. Open carry was seen as fair warning in some places where concealed carry was seen as dubious.

People were shocked how I knew they had a gun or knife on them and where they had it without frisking them. It’s a perishable skill. But a few months ago, a retired cop friend of mine and I went out to dinner. He tapped me exactly where I was carrying a small 380. It’s a skill that we develop. But I have also missed things too. It was before the CCIA changes . I don’t know about now.

We will never know and it will depend on the circumstances. A lot will pretend not to see something, while others will be forced to act because they can’t pretend not to have seen something due to body cams , a Karen pointing to it , etc. And some will tend to enforce it . That’s why it’s important to get the law changed.

I did when I was on patrol. I didn’t run into too many however.

Criminals occasionally will say they they have a permit or claim to be an off duty cop with the hope that the cop will let their guard down . Its the same when they claim they can’t breathe or fake a medical condition. And the DMV check before obtaining the drivers license is only on the registered owner of the car. If a cop over reacts because my car might have a gun permit link on it , they might be pulling out on my wife. And she is definitely not carrying .

Technically a premises permit is a carry permit . And NYC often issues premises permits with a “ green “ card saying the person can carry the gun while hunting .

Just give a little more hope

The need to notify might be a 5th admendment issue.

Agreed. I think if the state is going to require training , then they should pay for it. “ Only the rich get to carry?”?

Where does it say in the constitution you need a parade permit? It doesn’t but SCOTUS declared it constitutional The supreme court has already upheld NICS and the GCA of 1968 in a post Heller case. And a permit system was approved in Bruen in the concurring opinion and in Heller majority opinion.

Bruen does allow for sensitive places in the law— specifically places like courthouses and such. There is a tradition and history of such from 1791. I think you are okay with not carrying into a prison if you are visiting an inmate ( okay, maybe not) . The problem is they tried to make everywhere a “ sensitive place “.

Yep. And should that be challenged? I don’t know yet . If they make the permit system easy enough, would a challenge be a successful ?

In some ways they do. To assemble for religious, or political speech , there are regulations that may apply. A parade permit to assemble on public streets and places is often required. There are building and fire codes as to how many people can be in the church building. There are regulations on the use of sound devices ( speakers ) where it concerns speech . Or how you can’t interpret a church service or just an event because you have something to say . You can not incite a riot However, this not saying that the restrictions they are trying to place on firearms are constitutional. ( this part is not directed at any one individual) And to discuss that there might be limits to the 2nd amendment is not anti -second amendment nor hurts our cause . It is a realistic approach as how SCOTUS is going to rule , and what the founding father meant, and sometimes what is realistic and practical. We should not just be an echo chamber like the left is.

I am pointing out that it’s not in the tradition of even NJ to require a gun permit to own . Before this new law if one moved to NJ there was no requirement to register the guns or a permit needed to have them .NJ only had a FID to purchase.