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I flown numerous times out of Newark and Philly checking a gun. Never had an issue. Only time anyone asked me to show the gun was unloaded was at O'Hare in Chicago. The worst experience I had was in Kansaa City where they didn't have TSA but private security. They wanted to inspect my bag out of my sight. They wanted me to give them the combo to open my bag. I refused to unless I was present. I said, "I'm not giving you the combo". They said, "You aren't getting on that plane". I requested the private security supervisor an the airline's security supervisor. They had a conversation I was not privy to but it resulted in me being present when they inspected my gun. One issue out of maybe 30. Since that guy in FL opened his checked bag in the baggage area, everytime I've flown they've had me claim my bag in the baggage office. Not inconvenient AFAIC. One time I has my bag (going to Philly) was missent to Charlotte. They said they couldn't have it in Philly until the next day and I'd have to come and pick it up as the delivery service refused to transport firearms. Yeah, a couple of issues but never an issue flying out of Newark and Denver.

I've been carrying for almost 50 years. I don't understand the fascination with open carry. You want to show people you have a gun? Why? When I moved to AZ in 1978 they had no carry permits. Only LEOS could carry concealed. Anyone could open carry. You really didn't see that much although almost everyone had a gun in their car. The only situation I'd open carry is if that was the only option available.

It seems that Prosecutor is taking the statute and requiring safety, qualification, and use of force training when the statute only requires one. Then again, it's Bergen County.

I said previously I think someone will be okay qualifying with the HQC1. However, the statute just says qualification not specifying COF. I think they'll have to accept whatever COF is used at this time as long as you can attach that it's used by a LE organization or the NRA. When my daughter decided to have a handgun (she got a S&W Model 10 and a Taurus 85 from my accumulation) I trained her to 10 yards. She was shooting a 3 inch group at 10 which interpolates to about an 8" group at 25. She doesn't want to carry (although she's lived in a shall issue/open carry state for about 20 years). I was satisfied with her performance.

You can conceal carry as many magazines as you want now as long as its not hollowpoint ammo and you don't have a gun with you.

The problem with the statute is it states qualification by a certified firearms instructor without stating what course of fire or what is a "certified firearms instructor". If you shoot the HQC1 I'm pretty sure you'll be covered. All these other courses I'm not sure about. Perhaps they're leaving it this way to give a chief or a judge a way to disapprove the application. Some have mentioned the NRA Concealed Carry COF. I haven't been able to find that anywhere. Could someone provide me a link? I do have an answer to what constitutes a certified firearms instructor. NJSP directed me to the part of the statute that says, "other recognized certified instructor". That would cover anyone who is a "recognized certified instructor".

Good question

What is the title of this course of fire?

Read the bold underlined comment in the second quote above. We now can get carry permits in NJ. Many on this forum have carried on non-resident permits in other. A statement often made is I carry to protect my family and myself. I'm not getting involved if we're safe. Not only here but on other forums as well. What if this good guy at the mall had the same attitude? The outcome would have been totally different. Could you standby in such a situation and see innocent people be killed if you were safe. Food for thought.

Wear the same "tactical" pants many SEALS wore in Vietnam...regular Levi's or Wranglers.

"Tactical" pants draw too much attention to the wearer

All of that is fine but are you going to wear those all the time? Like a restaurant that has a business casual dress code or with a sport jacket?

Law Shield has other options if you feel you need them.

I have Law Shield too. They cover you 100% for any criminal or civil proceeding with no limit. I can carry under LEOSA so I pay a little more for 50 state coverage which I recommend. Your NJ Carry Permit will allow you to carry in some other states. Law Shield has other options if you feel you need them.

The point would have to be too flexible IMO. For example, Al Capone was convicted of income tax evasion (a non-violent crime) not the numerous homicides and shootings he played a role in. I know of drug traffickers who never got convicted of any of the violent crimes they were involved in but were convicted of money laundering, a non-violent crime. I do agree some felonies need to be reclassified. I remember hearing in some state clamming on a Sunday was a felony. On the other hand, Ted Kennedy pled out to leaving the scene of an accident. He got a 60 day suspended sentence, paid a fine, and had his license suspended. He in fact left the scene of an accident where a death occurred punishable by 2-10 years in Massachusetts. A felony by the Federal definition. Being in the right family worked for him.

I find the topic "concealed carry clothing" amusing. No special clothing needed although you have to consider some things. I've concealed carried almost 50 years in over 40 states. Regular clothes is all you need. Now if you're into wearing tight tshirts like "Mike the Situation" it gets harder to concealed a handgun. I think too many make an issue over "printing". When I was working I've flown over 100 times on commercial aircraft and no one ever saw my handgun. I'm sure there were many states I've been in had "printing laws" but I've never been challenged. I usually wear an OWB holster strong side and one magazine weak side OWB. If I'm carrying a revolver it would be a speedloader and 2x2 pouch strong side.

I think we should concentrate our efforts on getting rights restored to people who haven't committed a felony. Looking to restore a felon's 2A rights is a hard sell. Now I'll agree with you to a point. But where does that point lie? It wouldn't bother me if Martha Stewart's 2A rights be restored. She was convicted of lying to the FBI and obstruction. She was prosecuted by James Comey who wanted to put a celebrity conviction on his resume. You'd be hard pressed to justify restoration of rights to a violent felon.

If you're carrying 10 rds in a semiautomatic the fight is likely to be over before you go through those 10 rds. You're carrying for SD not a combat situation where your handgun is your primary weapon. However, you need to carry at least one reload. I've tried magazine carriers like the NeoMag and inevitably what happens is some crap collects at the mouth and lips of the magazine. Not conducive to reliable feeding. I prefer a magazine pouch that covers the mouth of the magazine. IWB pouches usually get uncomfortable no matter what your physique. I prefer a OWB magazine pouch. If you carry a pocket magazine pouch as shown above remember you need to dedicate that pocket for only the magazine. JMO

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Whilst there are people who can shoot a SA revolver as fast as a DA it all falls apart if you need a reload. Not likely but something one needs to plan for. I would not feel unarmed with a SA revolver but I'd rather have something else. A small 380 would serve better as a backup gun than any derringer.. JMO, WTF do I know?

This is the correct answer. It's a permit to carry a handgun.

One point I haven't seen anyone discuss. Many have talked about wanting to carry hollowpoints, carry normal capacity magazines and other issues. A better argument is for national reciprocity. I'd rather carry a 10 rd magazine without hollowpoints in another state. The fact is most states have no magazine or hollowpoint laws. If the 2A applies outside your home it should apply if you travel outside your state. National reciprocity, using the 14th Amendment should be the next argument. Murphy, who has no clue, is waiting to see what Hochel gets away with. As it is just about all the reasons to go to NYC are gun free zones. I expect a lot of that to be changed. National reciprocity is the most important fight IMO.

I'm qualified by NJSP to do RPO quals. I don't do it for money. I qualify other certified by NJSP instructors. No headaches. Just qualify guys I know that can shoot.

You can miss everything at 25 yds and still pass.

@JohnnyB I really don't know. I looked on some sites and asking price was $2500-5000. Whatever you do DON'T CLEAN IT UP. Original finish is everything.