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The police were called with a FA weapons complaint. They are illegal in NJ. The police need to determine if the guns you have are illegal in the scenario you related. It is illegal to be armed with FA weapons on private property in NJ. I can understand you being upset. I related that in the military and as a LEO I've had friendlies point loaded guns at me too many times. I don't hold this against anyone as I would have done the same in the situation. Again, once they determined who you were and your guns were legal they changed their attitude.

Ok leave out the Mosin. Police can enter on posted private property if they are responding to a call or need to in the course of their duties. No they just can't wander on if they feel like it. They saw guns there. Already they have confirmed there are guns involved. There is reason to believe you may still be armed. They are not sure you are a peaceful citizen. You said their demeanor changed as soon as you were identified. The private property issue has nothing to do with it.

Police have every right to go on private property in the situation you describe to investigate a complaint. Google curtilage and open fields for SCOTUS decisions. Yes the cop was right in saying not to give him any private property stuff. You should be glad local LE can get a SWAT response together so quickly. If you were a cop answering a call about FA weapons fire would you be comfortable with just your handgun? I think some agencies over use SWAT to justify their existence I don't think this is one of those situations. Holding a gun on someone who still may be armed seems reasonable. As a LEO and in the military I have had friendllies hold guns on me until they ascertained who I was. Searching you to determine if you were still armed seems reasonable also. Examining the guns to see if they were FA is something they were entitled to do also. All the guns you listed could be converted to FA. I would have done function checks to determine this. If you are entitled to handling the gun you are entitled to see the serial number. How do you know the one guy was the prosecutor? It said so on his raid jacket? I think you got a detective from the county prosecutor's office who happened to be in the area and backed these guys up. You said their demeanor did a 180 when they determined who you were. There isn't anything related showing the police did anything wrong. If you want to contact the chief and relate what happened by all means do so. I would also ask him if in order to prevent it happening again suggest that perhaps you call the desk when you decide to shoot there. Not asking permission just letting them know to avoid confrontations. This is what we do at a friends place in NH.

I've been told that plastic bags are made from waste products from petroleum refining. This gave us a material that "saved a tree". Now what are the plans to dispose of this petroleum waste? Dump it in the bay? I think they should make the stores like Wal Mart use better plastic bags so they can be reused. Paper is obviously more expensive or Wal Mart would use them. See how far you can carry a couple of boxes of ammo or a couple of cans in a Wal Mart bag if it isn't doubled.

Ray I didn't know it either until this thread came up and I took a look at a barrel to be sure!

Thanks for your insight on this. The situation I related is in another state so I'm not sure if the same rules apply everywhere. One thing I didn't make clear is the school didn't remove this kid. They suggested that he would do better in a specialized private school. It seems he only has ADHD with schoolwork never with anything else. The kid has created discipline issues in school. I think the school made the diagnosis and suggestion to get rid of a discipline problem. It seems to me this kid needs discipline and not meds or psych treatment. He just "acquired" ADHD over summer vacation. I sont think a kid develops ADHD over summer ??vacation. There are other issues involved as his mother is "over attached" to the point she trusts no one to leave the kids with. No babysitters ever. Not even her own sisters. Mine may not be the best example but it seems that a kid that misbehaves is not undisciplined. Todays system says they have a "problem" and they all need special treatment and meds. I've seen parents complain there is something wrong with their kid because the kid only gets Cs (and maybe sometimes a B or a D). That's average performance. We all are not rocket scientists. A lot of people don't want their kid to be average and things like ADHD seem to be used as a scapegoat. The kid's performance never improves so the "disability" is the reason for "average" results. There are plenty of people who are just average. The overdiagnosis and medication of kids is one of the problems with what's been done the past 20-30 years.

Geraldo is also calling for an AWB calling them WMD. This is the real answer to the problem. I think "they" are afraid of finding out the real reason for a lot of health problems. There is too much overdiagnosis is one. For example if a kid refuses to do schoolwork he is diagnosised with ADD. The kid is then put in a school for children with "specialized needs", where they convince the kid there is something wrong with him or her, and don't forget the behaivior control drugs. A friend of mine's son has been diagnosed with ADD. His wife insisted on putting him in private school and pscychiarist prescribed meds. The kid doesn't seem to have a problem with ADD when he's playing video games, building Legos, watching movies or cartoons, or doing anything he wants to do. He only has a problem with schoolwork. I am not as psychologist but I think if you have ADD you have it with everything. The kid has been spoiled with whatever he desired his entire life. I told my friends IMO the kid is just lazy. The school psychologist diagnosing the kid with ADD serves at least two functions for the school. It gets them money for a special needs kid and/or rids them of a discipline problem. The kid is also convinced there is something wrong with them. They believe they have this problem and are not responsible for what they do. The problem is the reason they do something wrong. There are no bad kids. AFAIC this is only one problem of many the mental health system has.

Arming teachers makes sense. I think the NJEA and NEA would have a lot to say about it. I think you still need to have an active or retired LEO to be proactive. If you just arm teachers security becomes just a secondary duty like study hall, cafeteria monitor, or detention. You need to have someone with security as a primary duty.

I agree. Can't see any reason you couldn't store your guns there except... I've rented a bunch of storage places over the years. Every one I've seen said no flammables, ammo, gunpowder, etc. Maybe 10-20% said no firearms. If you decide to do this just read the contract before signing.

Ray I'm looking at an RH 870 barrel now. There is an extractor cut on the right side. The barrel hood sticks out from the end od the barrel from about 250 to 45 degrees viewed from rear. No way would this work on a LH gun.

Most gunsmiths I've seen working and repair facilities at manufacturers use some type of mat. I do the same. Doesn't mess up gun or bench and easy to clean.

Good example of Rule 4.

People who cut in lines do it because they have been doing it for some time and no one has confronted them. Patriot you are correct, you are responsible for your actions. That's why calling someone out when they are doing something in blatant violation of what civilization has established as the norm. Should I feel responsible if after they beat their dog, kid, or run someone over? No I don't. If they do one of those things its time once again for them to be responsible for their actions. Using your logic Jodie Foster should feel responsible for Chapman killing John Lennon. If I'm not sure where the end of the line is I ask. If I get on what I think is the end of the line and someone informs me it isn't , I thank them and go to the end. This is the way people are supposed to behave. BTW what do you tell the people behind you when you let someone cut in front of you? What about the hunger of everyone behind you? Yes there are many types of confrontations that are best avoided. What we have been discussing here is not one of them.

I would do the same thing in a similar situation. I've done it in lines at amusement parks (most common) and even did it outside the library after confiriming with the librarian the woman cut in front of my kids. One tactic I've used, say in an amusement park line, is to say loudly enough for maybe 10-20 people behind me to hear something like "even if I wanted to let you in front of me what do you think all those people behind me are going to say. If you get them all to agree to let you in front of them, I'll let you in front of me". You enlist everyones aid without them doing anything. One time I did this the linejumper looked at the line behind me and about 50 people pointed him to the end of the line. The only person you embarrassed was the linejumper. Nothing smartass about what you did.

My suggestions also. A 4" GP100, 686, or Taurus would fill the 357 slot.

PK90 answered the question. He is subject to the same transportation requirements to and from range with or without a FPID. He needs a FPID to purchase ammo in NJ. As far as ownership is involved the Surrogate's Office in the county he lived in would have a copy of his will. Now if you're going for that get a copy of the receipt and PPP your Grandfather used. You can complicate this as much as you want to. I own handguns that I purchased when I lived out of state where a firearm sale between inviduals is likke buying a hammer or a box of nails. The fact that you have it and no one else is claiming its theirs is proof that you own it.

What you are advocating is often called an Israeli Carry. IIRC this method of carry was adopted because local armories in Israel would have a mix of handguns. HPs, P38s, Berettas, Helwans, Lugers, and whatever had been acquired. It was easier to train people to carry in Condition 3 (full mag) and rack the slide as this worked with any semi auto. Yeah it takes less than a second but... The problem with this is when you are in a confrontational situation you want to minimize what you have to do. Even on the range I have seen people forget to sweep off the safety when they knew they were going to fire. This is one of the arguments I heard against semi autos in the 70s and 80s. This is why SIG,Ruger, and others offer guns with a hammer drop only no safety. Simplicity is what makes a DA revolver or striker fired semi like a Glock so appealing. Safe when ready to go. Its easy to get wrapped up in "the Israelis do it" as they do many things well. Carrying a defensive pistol in Condition 3 is not one of them. Think of a duel. While you are racking your slide I'm shooting. Most of the time in a defensive situation the bad guy already has his gun out. You'd only be giving him more of an edge.

Doesn't fixed cartridge over 50 call make it a Destructive Device?

Good points here. I never knew anyone with their own business that did 40 hour work weeks. 60-70 hrs more the norm. Sometimes more. That time is spent dealing with customers, taking care of business matters, and oh yeah you will do gunsmithing. You'll also need night and weekend hours as that's when most people can bring their guns. You can become very successful but it won't be easy.

There are many considerations. It sounds cool but most gunsmiths don't make much. I queried one website and it gave a starting salarry of about 30k a year and a top salary of 64k in NJ. That's one of the top gunsmith salaries in the country. Think moving to a gun friendly state will help? Top salary for a gunsmith in MT is only 30k. Those top salaries are after doing it 30 or 40 years. Being happy what you're doing is important but so is feeding the familiy. There are a lot of jobs that pay the same or more with a lot less schooling and skills. You will probably start out working for someone else for two reasons. First you don't have the experience even with a school to know how to handle a job. Secondly the cash outlay for opening your own shop is substantial. Just the standard macine shop setup is going to cost you is substantial. If you want to make your own receivers that setup is going to cost several hundred thousand dollars. Many of the tools you will need may only be used once like if someone wants a barrel rechambered for some oddball caliber you can go out and buy the tooling needed (which you won't recoup the cost from a single job) or tell the guy to go somewhere else. Do the latter and word will get around you really don't do it all. I would hazard a guess the top gunsmiths have there own shops. You really have to be a good businessman in addition to being a gunsmith. The business sense is maybe more important than your gunsmithing skills. These are just a few considerations and if its for you, go for it.

Which would be okay for everything but the frame. IIRC Federal law requires you to declare a firearm to a common carrier when shipping.

When Slowhand is performing everyone else is shooting for 2nd place. I have his stuff going back to The Yardbirds, John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers, and Cream on vinyl. First time I saw him live was with Cream. I watched him play in a concert with George Harrison, who was pretty goods in his own right. The entire time Harrison kept looking at Clapton trying to figure out how he made those sounds come out of a guitar.

Not if you're looking for the best accuracy.

Yeah but...if the guy transfers all the firearms legally and then is found not guilty or the order is vacated there would be no guns to get back.

I have found quality airsoft replicas good to practice point shooting with. Even if the trigger is lighter it works as if you are shooting for real you're not going to notice the trigger pull.