Ray Ray

You had me at Gettysburg. A place every American should visit once in their life.

Yeah, the AR15 is hard to beat in this format. As is the 357.

Next Thursday? Is Thursday a day we can all agree on?

Try 3 inch and 3 1/2 shells. Totally useless for anything other than hunting. The recoil goes from uncomfortable in 3 inch to ouchies in 3 1/2.

We need more of this, but on a national media level.

I used standard 00 Buck, as did @RecessedFilter, through my Shockwave and it wasn't bad at all. There are low recoil options from Federeral and Hornady AND the Aguila mini shells as well. 12 gauge, options gallor.

Sorry gentlemen, I just did not have the time tonight. @wangsly, keep these going.

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Correct, i did that for @Smokin .50.

Technically, if the OPs state ID card is not New Jersey then he can buy out of state.

We will leave this to a jury to decide. I have made my points and you have made yours. But you are biased in that you spent serious coin on yours so you need to justify it. I too had one, but quickly learned why Kel-Tec is sub par. Only time will tell on the Ruger PCC, but I feel both will continue to sell.

Yeah, mall Ninjas carry Glocks.

@Shane45 has it. 308 semi auto rifle and a 1911.

25 yards. Unless they extended it.

In reality, two guns will cover almost all your bases for defense.

Yeah but your legit. Me? Well, I'm 100% Bayonne.

2012, @Caine

I thought your 2 choices were a joke, seriously. Are those really your 2 choices?

I know I'm going to die of lead poisioning from spending hours apon hours in that dungeon. Lets be honest bro, they say its gonna be for LEO only but this is Bayonne. Its gonna start that way, but then the retired LEOs will want in. Then the LEOs will invite their buddies. Then the retired LEOs will invite THEIR buddies. Then firemen want to use it. Then city workers want to use it. And before you know it, BINGO! We all can go.

I did, at a range. It's called patterning your shotgun. I know the range of my home defense shotgun and it's ammo.

So i hit the perps whole body! Yes!

You missread that message. I gave you a gun AND ammo. And loaded it for you.

At about that distance High Brass BB shot will cover a B-27 USPSA target.

Lets break it down: I was unaware the new version of the Sub2K has a threaded barrel so that is a wash. Yes, the Sub2K can take an optic, but then you cannot fold it. Unless you spend money on some hinged mount that I'm sure exists. So the PCC wins. Does the Glock version of the Sub2K take G26 magazines? Nope. PCC wins. Does the Glock 19 version of the Sub2K have a full finger grip? Nope. PCC wins Last shot bolt-hold open. PCC wins. Knowing that your rifle is empty is a good thing. The controls are a wash, as that is a preference thing, EXCEPT for the charging handle. The PCCs charging handle is where it is supposed to be and is fully reversable for those who want to flop it where as the Sub2K is under the stock and not intuitive. PCC wins. The only thing that the Sub2K wins is that it you could get one that accepts 92/M9 magazines, Sig 226/229 magazines and M&P magazines. But wait, there's more! The Ruger can be swapped to Glock or Ruger with a simple magwell switch. So, as of right now the Sub2K wins but I'm sure Ruger has plans for Sig/XDm/1911/10mm/Beretta whatever magazines. All with just a swap of the magwell. One last thing not mentioned is cost. 400 clams for a Sub2K is awesome. 500ish for the PCC is more, but it's a better value. So, in conclusion, you lost and I win. Andres, I will always love you and good luck with your new Shockwave.