Ray Ray

You make some good points. But I buy guns for defensive purposes first, with all else coming after. So, if I can only own 2 then the choices I make have to have multi uses. A 12 gauge fills all thos gaps, as does a 357.

The PCC breaks in two, which is either better or not better than the Sub2K. PCC can hold an optic, has a threaded barrel, takes ALL Glock double stack magazines, can be converted to take other OEM magazines, has a last shot bolt-hold open option and is made of better materials.

No, of course not. My choices are perfect. 2 of the most reliable systems in the firearms world. 357 is better than 9mm, fact 12 gauge is the most versatile caliber we have, fact So, you can keep your Euro pellet gun and varmint rifle and I'll rock the real calibers.

Why does no one get this.

Manana mi ghente

This thread has gone on long enough, Mods please lock.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/02/gun_groups_take_on_murphy_over_nj_handgun_rules.amp#ampshare=http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/02/gun_groups_take_on_murphy_over_nj_handgun_rules.html We gonna be famous soon. By the way, does anyone know the gentleman who is actually suing?

There are some really bad choices here, sorry.

What are we doing? Applying to get the ball rolling?

@Malice4you, can you change the rules so guys have to actually THINK about their options?

I believe it's against the rules. @Malice4you, please clarify.

I do not use #4 or Slugs or 00 or #1. I use High Brass BB shot.

I know this, you know this but our friend @High Exposure sadly does not. We can only educate those who seek knowledge from the enlightened ones here like ourselves @GRIZ. If they choose to absorb it is up to them.

So true. My coworker talked about this. He was not a Vet but his brother was. He told me something I will never forget. This was the first time Democrats openly showed their hatred of our armed forces.

Fake News, its still worn in SoCal. Wutang tried this with Carhart 20 years ago too but that was a fad.

I really want to apply, I'm curious as to what would happen. I have gotten the paperwork once before, but I balked at actually filing.

And that is smart on them. Expand your clientele. They have plenty of work wear along with street wear. Think Dickies. They are still worn by gear heads AND gang members in East LA. Win win

Home Defense! We talking Defensa del hogar! We are not talking about any other uses.

I was thinking the same thing.

I think he told me his wife was gonna drive him there, and you know how they drive!?!

Hey @Zeke, do you think @ChrisJM981 thought this on Sunday?

Wifey says bye

You hit a dude dead center in the chest with: Slug: dead 00Buck: dead #4Buck: dead

I'll take you for your word, and i believe the alphabet agencies use #4, but in a Home Defense situation does it really matter if the perp is hit with 27 22 caliber pellets or 9 32 caliber pellets?

It works