BCeagle

I didnt want this to get on a bash LEO thread and I have never had a problem during a stop, BUT cops are human and do lie, I worked at the prosecutor's office and heard it discussed and seen it 1st hand. To me LE needs to be beyond reproach or you get the situation we have these days with the general loss of respect. The bottom line rule is NEVER consent to a search and if they do it anyway, SUE, regardless if it is no harm done, there always is a foul and it needs to be addressed. I actually keep a FLIP cam in my car for the kids, but if I ever got pulled over with guns in the car, I would probably put it on and keep it out of view just in case.

By the way, even if you give consent, if you start feeling like you mad a mistake, you can always withdraw it and they have to stop. To search the whole car without probably cause they will need a warrant and who wants to go through that.

You are right about gun ownership being underground. My daughter had a play date and the 2 mothers hit it off. On the 2nd playdate the other mother told my wife "I dont want to sound like a hick, but just so you know we have guns in the house." My wife who is told not to volunteer what I have was like "no problem, so do we" I dont belive in advertising what I have, but in this state the woman obviously felt like a minority and was sheepish about it.

As for taping police stops check this video of Stossel out: Skip to 2:00 for something really scary and BS. Thats a big gun to be drawing as you exit your car and are not in uniform, I would have flipped.

I could see a kid being afraid but that BS, but with age comes confidence and I would have asked for badge #s etc. you need to file a formal complaint in those instances regardless of the result. And I wouldnt be so sure they would have let them go if they fuond anything, its really easy for a cop to lie and say they saw something.

Just following up how crazy our state makes us. _______________________________________________________________________________ Originally Posted By Tom488: In most states, no, that would not be enough to establish PC, as evidence of firearms possession isn't usually in and of itself, a crime. However, here in NJ, possession of a firearm is generally illegal, unless you possess an FID, or a permit to carry. Combine that with 2C:39-2b: When the legality of a person's conduct under this chapter depends on his possession of a license or permit or on his having registered with or given notice to a particular person or agency, it shall be presumed that he does not possess such a license or permit or has not registered or given the required notice, until he establishes the contrary. So, can it be assumed that someone who appears to be going to a shooting range may be in possession of a firearm? And, can is be assumed (as per 2C:39-2b) that the person does not possess the proper ID cards/permits to legally possess said firearm? I don't know... but I can see the argument being made. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reply: Ok, it would be reasonable in that situation if the officer/trooper asked if you had a firearm in the vehicle. If you said no, other questioning would ensue. But if you said yes, they should ask to see your FID and you'd be on your way after you present it.

I completely agree, some guy said he did it because he thought it would be quicker/easier and got screamed at. I would never give consent, there are so many reasons not to. You should never give up a right. From our point of view also, do you really trust a policeman to know the difference between an illegal firearm and your evil but cool looking AR. Why risk it.

Was talking about consenting to a search on another forum and wondered about this qualifies as probable cause when I head up to Cherry Ridge. Is it probable cause and allow a State Trooper to search the vehicle if he sees either a) My membership tag around my neck (never wear it for that reason) b) Sees the target frame laying flat in the back on my truck. Its pretty obvious I probably have a firearm but none of those things individually really show any probable cause I am commiting a crime. Then again all guns are illegal in NJ unless you fal under an exception (cant wait or that law to be found unconstitutional)

Last Action Hero Wacthing it now and tons of guns.

I think OGAM promotes guys buying guns 3 at a time. I had no desire for a new handgun becuase I didnt want to go thru the process (point in politicans favor) but when my wife got me a handgun, I had to go through and now I made sure I got 3 (1911, 92a1 and still deciding)(point against) It probably does cut down on impulse buys but how many of us have a $700 impulse.

Are you sure, I thought you could put a FS slide on an A1 but not the other way around. This is actually important if you are putting a 22 conversion kit which claims to work with all 92 series pistols.

Same here, COD has such smooth gameplay but I am debating BF3 for the realism, but always had issues with length of time for matchmaker to set up a game in games besides COD. How was the matchmaking/MP in BF2. PS3 here, if they try and max out capabilities, it will be 2nd only to a good PC,

I always vote with my wallet.

I havent paid in years, I just go into the free tourneys. I actually went from 3 cents to like $6 on account woohoo.

Pokerstars is still up, have a ball.

Just another example on how our government sucks and sticks its nose into things it doesnt belong. They should have taxed it long ago, instead they stick their heads up their a**. Anything fun.....ban it. Anything that you enjoy that doesnt hurt anyone.....ban it. It reminds me of the Devil's Advocate... Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Asses. 2 quick points 1. they can shut down the website, it doesnt matter, its not webbased and it still works, 2. wehere do they get off seizing websites without proving their case? The govt willl lose soon as the court rules it is a game of skill, not luck and therefore not really gambling.

My advice is to cancel HBO, even if it is only for a few months and tell them it was because of this bs.

That makes me feel better, I just got a quote for the 92A1, I just asked them to confirm it with the catalog # since I got a few quotes for the 17rounder which would just depress me to throw mags out. 4/27 the countdown begins.

They knew they would get trashed, NO ONE SHOULD WATCH TO KEEP THEIR POST COUNT LOW.

I'll add something annoying, the 92A1 comes with 3 either 17 or 10 round mags, the M9A1 comes with 2 15 round mags. So annoying since the 15 rounders are $50 each.

They actually have the M9 which looked exactly like the FS except in a cardboard box. EDIT: A1 has a thicker slide and sights are dovetails and easily replaced.. I will post pics in about 2 weeks, still waiting for OGAM to expire, I'll post the Para 14-45 Limited my wife got me to hold everyone over.

I have been saying I will check it out for at last a year.

I ended up going with the 92A1, just the FS with a rail and rounded trigger guard.

Good, I thought I was the only one. My wife saw me checking out IFADB after watching it and viola: My christmas present:

Kids wont be shooting each other, only targets.