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Just remember, the antis want you to believe that the woman found dead, tortured and mutilated, with her panties tied around her throat, is morally superior to a woman who carries a gun and is willing to use deadly force to protect her own life. There are people out there who truly believe that, and some of them sit in positions of power in Trenton.

it's likely that an undefined fear of being shot in a scary place won't qualify as a "justifiable need" in the eyes of the state.

As much as I believe Camden to be a malignant wart on the asss of the universe, if this is any more than just talk, my heart goes out to the innocent people who are gonna get caught up in the middle when when the stuff hits the fan.

Glenn, Tony... Happy Birthday.

Ice is falling hard in Sparta.

I don't bake. Welcome to the group.

25 years for me, and I can honestly say that I wouldn't trade one minute of it.

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Greetings and welcome.

Maybe not so much lost causes as object lessons for the rest of the country. "Be careful of what you let your legislators do, lest you end up like New Jersey". Without NY, NJ, etc. how would America know what to watch out for when they start on their own slippery slope to despair.

Welcome to the asylum.

Welcome to the group, Cameron.

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Yeah, but you can bet your progeny that we're gonna see similar legislation proposed here in NJ.

... or 5, or 2, or whatever they think they can get through the legislative process. It isn't about the California-ization of our current laws, it's about discouraging and eventually eliminationg any type of gun ownership whatsoever. So, whatever they can do to stop what little momentum we manage to gain, that's their target number. As tragic as the Arizona shooting was, the antis are privately jumping for joy at the opportunity to stick their thumbs in the eyes of SCOTUS and their recent pro 2A rulings. Really?? The threat of 500 gun owners not voting for him when he runs again won't be enough to curb his pen hand? Voters have short memories, and even if it came back to bite him later, his response will be that it was to prevent another Arizona type shooting from taking place in NJ.

You guys can poke fun at the language all you want, but the public knows the word "clips" as those things that the bullets go into in a gun. If this gains any traction, the wording of the law will be precise enough that it will affect magazines as well, and we all know that. Let's not underestimate the intelligence or PR skills of the antis, or overestimate the intelligence of the anti gun rights public. We are in trouble because of the Arizona shooting, both from a 2A and 1A perspective, and whistling past the graveyard isn't going to change that in any useful way.

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Since when do the facts matter when those idiots are trying to make their argument for even more and greater restrictions?

I was very closely following the media reports over the weekend, and I have to say that my impression is that the antis were waiting for this event, in this location, to roll out a whole new and as yet untested pile of rhetorical nonsense and ludicrous and unsupported hyperbole. There were actually some liberal pundits observing that even with Arizona’s newly relaxed gun laws, there was no armed response from the crowd at the scene. They’re questioning the RKBA argument that an armed society is to some extent self-policing, and if nobody at the scene was armed, or had the presence of mind to intervene if they were, than the entire RKBA argument for armed citizens being able to respond in the presence of such an event carries no weight whatsoever, and that absent the citizen response that the pro side uses as a talking point, RKBA serves absolutely no useful purpose to society. I find it disgusting (but not at all surprising) that the antis would turn the argument in that direction, and basically ask “Where were all the armed citizens the powerful gun lobby promised us would act in response when something like this happens?” I don’t know how the firearms community will respond to this new and unique argument, but I’m pretty sure that this is gonna put some fresh spring in the gun grabber’s step, and that it’s somehow going to affect us badly here in Fortress New Jersey.

Happy Birthday, ladies.

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Greetings and welcome.

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