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That's why I qualified it with "not necessarily". I know that the members here stretch across all areas of geography and demographics, but that aside, the conversations here are generally about restoring the rights that are ours, and not usually about real and immediate self defense needs. Of course the people who live in urban and crime ridden areas are suffering the same abrogation of their rights as everyone else, but their need for reform takes a different and less abstract form then many of us here.

It's a valid question. We want reform because we feel it's our right, not necessarily because we actually need to carry a gun to defend ourselves on what may be a daily basis. How do we bring the law abiding citizens who simply have a need to defend themselves into the fight for firearms reform? These are people who generally won't become part of the recreational shooting community, but their needs are real and immediate. How does the community reach out to those people who may not even be aware that there's a movement to reform the laws, and that their demographic may be just the added boost needed to see some realistic progress? Ideas? Thoughts?

Merry Christmas, and stay safe.

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Nice. Guns, zombies and pie. It's like that video was made just for NJGF. Merry Christmas Happy Kwanzaa Joyous Festivus Happy Yule

How will they determine that if you legally acquired the gun in a FTF transaction while a resident of another state? There isn't any requirement to prove ownership, only that you may legally possess firearms in NJ.

Paranoia aside, everything you buy with a credit card, everywhere you buy it, is recorded in minute detail. Might as well get the good pricing.

I carry my FID card when I go to the range. I don't know if it's required or not, but it' s a simple way to answer the question as to whether or not I'm legally allowed to possess firearms in NJ.

It's a tough line to move. Let's assume that the goal of the laws is to keep as many guns out of the hands of criminals as possible. Even if it inconveniences legal gun owners who are simply going about their legal lives. If the law changes to eliminate the travel (origin and destination) restrictions, and someone stops for lunch in Newark on the way back from the range with a trunkful of Glocks, and some miscreant boosts the car out of the parking lot, it'll be like winning Lotto. There'll be more guns on the streets, more people will be robbed, raped, killed, the original owners will have a bunch of 'splaining to do, and nobody wins (not true, the scumbags win). Our new found freedom will have become a victim of The Law Of Unintended Consequences, and the outcry for stricter and more onerous gun legislation will begin anew. I don't know what the answer is. The laws have to become flexible enough to protect the legal gun owners from an occasional oversight or unforeseen situation while staying true to the purpose of reducing gun violence. Maybe a little more discretion and a bit more education on the part of LE should be the first thing to consider.

djg0770 is right about Malsua being right. Guns that are legally purchased while a resident of another state, or that have been acquired by direct inheritance (from the deceased directly too you, without anyone else having legal possession), either in NJ or not, are excluded from the paperwork requirements that apply to guns purchased in NJ or outside of the state by a NJ resident. There is no mandatory registration of firearms in NJ. There is a de facto handgun registration process that takes place through the Pistol Purchase Permit forms, where copies of the completed form are sent to both the NJ State Police and your local PD, and there may be some sort of surreptitious long gun registry list, but officially, there is no registration of firearms in NJ. Then, the question comes up, "What if I ever have to prove that I legally own the guns in my possession"? You don't. And sometimes you can't. If you lived in America, and legally purchased a gun in a face to face transaction in a state that has no paperwork requirements, you would have no record of ownership. Once you leave America and come to NJ, you are in legal possession, even if there is no piece of paper to prove it. NJ actually realizes this, and at least for now, if you are legally allowed to possess firearms in NJ (FID card), and if you have a NJ compliant firearm, and you're transporting it in a legal manner, within the narrow restrictions regarding origin and destination locations, you are likely okay. There is a voluntary registration process, but anyone you ask here will advise you against going that route.

Welcome to the group, Doug.

Nice get. Discount on top of a sale. Gotta love it.

And, what if some high school kid gets blind stupid high, jumps into daddy's car for a run to WaWa, and runs a busload of nuns and orphans off the road and down a ravine? What's the dollar value in preventing that?

It can't get much more over the top than "Pro-gun forces of darkness", can it?

The problem with the "civil rights advocate" tag is that we're then clumped together with all the entitlement nutjobs who believe that having a nice car is a civil right, free college education for illegals is a civil right, a comfortable retirement is a civil right, gay marriage is a civil right, etc. We need to be separated from them. Maybe "Constitutional rights advocates" would be better.

Be specific and don't editorialize too much. Feed his ego a little bit. Don't go on about how unfair the laws are, or question their constitutionality, or be in any way critical of the current laws. Just thank him for his act of compassion and fairness. Don't take a "take that, you fat prick" attitude. Praise his strength of character in the face of the difficult decision you're sure he was faced with. Crap like that.

Greetings. Nice to see you come out of the shadows.

Tractor Supply usually has a decent selection of gun safes. I forgot what brand they sell, but I've looked at their assortment, and they have safes ranging from cabinet styles all the way up to really large and secure boxes.

I don't normally post twice in a row, but I had this thought last night and needed to put it into words. It's time to do whatever we can to change the tone of these conversations. Are we really "gun advocates"? I don't think so. Are carpenters "hammer advocates"? Are chefs "knife advocates"? And especially, are people who are pro-choice on abortion "baby murder advocates"? This kind of extreme rhetoric has to stop. We are Recreational Shooters, or Firearms Competition Enthusiasts or whatever else we are, but we aren't gun advocates. There can't be an advocacy for a thing, any thing. There are no advocacy issue organizations whose goal is based on a thing. They want to eliminate or allow a thing, and the result will be some societal change, but the thing that is their target is secondary to their desired goal. So, we aren't "gun advocates". We're advocates for the rights that are inherent in our humanity, and that our government was chartered to protect and defend. We're advocates for the safety and security of ourselves, our families, and our society. We're advocates for freedom from oppression and tyranny. We're advocates for equality under the law. But, we're not gun advocates. Once we can turn the conversation away from the object, and towards the result, then we may have a chance of being heard.

I wonder if the brass knuckles, the machete, the daggers and the asp would be so much more frightening and deadly if we knew the exact make and model of each of them. Slanted idiot journalism.

The reports I read said that Brian's argument that he was moving to his new apartment were unconvincing, and that's why the transportation exceptions weren't allowed by the judge. It may be true, it may not. But if he wasn't transporting the guns from an allowed place (his home in Colorado) to an allowed place (his new apartment) directly and without making any unreasonable deviations, then his actions fall outside of the allowed exemptions. We may never know the whole story, and I'm not sure that as a community, we didn't jump on this just a little too enthusiastically. The laws are nefarious and the sentencing guidelines are excessive, and we all want them changed, but if the "truth" is that he was transporting his firearms outside of the narrow allowances that the state so generously grants us mere citizens, then he broke the law. And, as law abiding gun owners who believe that people who break firearms laws (no matter how absurd or punitive they are) make us all look bad as a community. As BigH said, the law makes it illegal to bring your guns to friend's house to shoot on his property, your mom's house to store them while you're on vacation, your neighbor's house to show off your new gun to another enthusiast. The law is clear about under what circumstances and conditions you can be legally transporting a handgun without a carry permit. It makes little sense, it makes criminals out of law-abiding citizens, and it must be challenged and changed, but until then, we have to live under that shadow of fear that the slightest deviation, intentional or not, may put any of us in exactly the same situation. Gun control is never about guns, but always about control.

I have the Costco Cannon safe. It is pretty nice for the price. The other 2 don't really impress.

Nope. At least for now, you are allowed to discharge a firearm in defense of your life inside your home without running afoul of "No Discharge" ordinances.

There is no requirement or advantage to present an FID card to the police. If the gun(s) in your possession are illegal to own in NJ, but you're following transportation laws (to/from range, smith, etc.), having an FID card won't make any difference. You're screwed. If the gun(s) in your possession are legal to own in NJ, but you're transporting them illegally, having an FID card won't make any difference. You're screwed. If the gun(s) in your possession are legal to own in NJ, and you're transporting them legally, and the cop isn't aware of the applicable laws, having an FID card likely won't make any difference. You're less screwed. If the gun(s) in your possession are legal to own in NJ, and you're transporting them legally, and the cop is aware of the applicable laws, having an FID card likely won't make any difference. You're not the droid they're looking for.

That is wrong on so many levels. I'm uncharacteristically at a loss for words. Just friggin' wrong.