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Jerry M uses a setup like that in competition.

If I said that, it could be considered offensive and completely non-PC.

The good news is that there'll be fewer stray cats in your neighborhood.

Amazing how people think they're having a unique and pointed observation while expounding on the incredibly obvious. Anyone over the age of 40 has this same thought every time they turn on the TV.

I don't know how many times it's been said here, but it bears repeating until everyone understands it. Gun Control, at any level of government, is NEVER about guns, and always about CONTROL!

Pipes, Don't take a few inflammatory posts and build it into a reason for dropping off the boards. You've always been a level headed and sensible voice here, and we need as many of those as we can get (on both sides of the conversation) to keep the facts coming and the useful and practical ideas for change to keep flowing. And for the LEO here who think that the rest of us don't appreciate the sacrifices you make, and don't understand that on any day, you may not get home, you're wrong. We do. Let's not let a small and virtually meaningless debate even further divide us as a community. <soapbox> There are a few among you who feel a level of entitlement, who feel that if you're not LE, then you're "little people", deserving only of the rights that you deign to grant them, and who, by virtue of their chosen profession only, deserve to be treated as an exclusive class, unburdened by the petty rules and politics that are the annoyances of daily life. The whole "let them try to do what we do" argument is a trembling house of cards. Let you try open heart surgery, or flying a passenger jet, or teaching kindergarten, or any of the thousands of other jobs that keep civilization running. You are not the ones keeping the barbarians at the gate from getting in. Everyone does their part, and the arrogance of thinking that without you, society would crumble into anarchy is comical. We would get along just fine, and that may be the problem. </soapbox> That said, I have a question for the LEOs If an executive order were handed down and you were given instructions to come down hard and arrest any retired LEO that you were aware was carrying legally under Federal law, but in violation of NJ law, what would you do? Where would your loyalties lie? What would be your rationalization for your decision?

This is my wife's little pink Smith. She's become deadly accurate with it at 15 feet or so. She can stand on the line all day without any problems, and she's a tiny little thing.

Remington Targetmaster .22LR. It was my dad's, and if I remember correctly, it's stamped 1943. I was about 8 or 9 years old (I'm 56 now), and I still have it and shoot it regularly. Open sights and accurate as hell at the rimfire range at CR.

All by itself??? Cool stuff.

I'm watching for the inevitable turn to ammo, and why slugs as a second load are better than whatever, because once you knock him down with your #7/#4/#00, you can walk over and put the finishing touch into his head and gleefully watch it explode into tiny pieces of bone and brain. I know it's coming....

The arrogance and insecurity here is astonishing. People choose their careers for whatever reason they have. We all appreciate your choice to risk your life to protect and defend ours, but that doesn't make you any better than the people who choose to pursue other paths. Some LEO choose the job because they truly are public servants, and some for less altruistic reasons. The reasons don't matter, The fact remains that there's no defensible argument for allowing RETIRED LEO to continue to carry a handgun under Federal law. If you're worried about your past convictions coming after you after you retire, you chose the wrong job.

This. Deja vu all over again.

The Zombie Apocalypse replaced the Cold War fear, and is a reason for Mall Ninjas and tacticool consumer accessories to exist.

It seems that way because: someone has a personal axe to grind against a particular cop, department or law, and take any opportunity to paint an entire profession with a single broad brush, or one of our LEO members reads something between the lines that isn't really there and takes a personal offense at being singled out for criticism. or people just like to troll and stir the pot of confrontation, trying to bait someone into saying something stupid, or as in this case, someone didn't read the OP and just jumped feet first into the piranha pool. Civility is a wonderful thing. Let's practice it.

These threads always turn into some imagined LEO vs. Regular Joe trolling battle. Nobody said anything about off-duty LEOs being required/allowed to carry. Nobody has any but the greatest respect for those who go out every day and put their lives at risk do protect the rest of us. That isn't the point of this discussion. We're talking about retired LEO. You no longer have a duty to step in when you see something. Whether or not you choose to is less than irrelevant. The duty no longer exists. With that, you're no different than a retired welder, pilot or doctor., except that your 2A right to carry weapon to protect yourself is protected, while everyone else's is denied. That isn't equal treatment under the law. Nobody expects or demands a 70 year old, trembling ex-cop to jump in when he sees a gang raping a schoolgirl, and his decision to do so has no meaning to the conversation, simply the fact that by virtue of his previous profession, he has the right to carry a gun, and the rest of us don't. No cop bashing, no us vs. them bullshiit, no standing on the highest peak and defending your profession... just a simple fact.

Christie was never going to govern NJ the way he should. His tenure as Governor is only for the national exposure showing him as a "populist" at a time when the Tea Party and the attendant swing towards "populism" is gaining momentum. Christie is a clever politician and political opportunist, and it saddens me that he may be tapped by Romney as a VP contender. If that happens, I don't know what I'll do.

We're right up there together, Grampus.

Additionally, not only does the NATIONAL Rifle Association fight for 2A rights at a national level, their firearms education systems are second to none. Ever take an NRA course, get an NRA pistol certificate? Even the most basic of NRA training is often a requirement for permits or licenses. Their training is a national standard for firearms education. I may not like how they choose their fights in NJ, but I support their goals of firearms training and education on a national level with my membership money.

If you read the OP, the discussion is about retired LEO having a Federal right to carry, regardless of state laws to the contrary. I'm all good with off duty LEO carrying, but once you retire, you're just another one of us, and it really is an issue of equal treatment under the law. And before you go to the "but we're better trained than the average citizen" place, let's remember that there are all sorts of proficiency levels in any group, and even though I'm not as proficient as many among the members here, I've shot next to cops, both active and retired, whose lack of skill and common sense with a firearm scared the crap out of me. I think that NJ firearm laws are ridiculous and need to be changed, but until that happens, I prefer that everyone be treated the same, and that someone's past job isn't a singular reason to protect a right that is denied to virtually everyone else. YMMV.

Hey, Pete. Thanks for the welcome. It's nice to see that the old gang is still around.

Everything's good with me. Family's just fine, thanks. My shooting season won't come back until the Spring, but we'll get together as soon as it gets warm enough that I can have a good time in the outdoors.

Holy Crap!! You still kickin' around here, you miserable old fukker? Damn, if I knew that, I'd have stayed away. How's it going, Frank. Still a bitter old curmudgeon? How's the family?

I'm eventually gonna have to check that place out. When I see him, I'll tell him you said Hi.

For as long as we let them.

Hey, Troy. I saw Mark Crowley, and he said he hasn't seen you for a long time. I was hoping everything was okay with you.