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I've said it before... their name is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

bump. Come on, guys. It's the first one of the year. Let's make it big one.

There are plenty of trap shooters who do just fine with a regular shotgun, whether it's a pump, semi, or whatever. Dedicated trap guns are set up to shoot high, so that when you put the sight under the bird, the shot will travel mostly above the center line of the barrel and bust the bird. With a flat shooting gun, you need to (generally) partially cover the rising bird with the barrel, and this may cause you to lose sight of path of the clay. That said, plenty of perfectly adequate trap shooters use field guns on the range, and many of them get to the point where they're shooting just as well as the Fudds with the $10k "dedicated" trap gun with the adjustable stocks and rib. IMHO, it's just as much about the ego as it is about the gun's capabilities. Yeah, the expensive guns are works of art, hand engraved and top grade hand selected and finished wood, but at the end of the day, it's about the score, and any gun that you can be proficient with is just dandy. A 20 will be fine. It'll shoot softer than a 12, and make orange dust exactly the same as a 12. There are even guys shooting trap with a .410, but that takes skill to another level. Whatever you can cheek, aim and swing comfortably and consistently will work. My only suggestion is to get a gun with interchangeable chokes. You'll find that being able to change out chokes will make a difference as your skill level changes. I shoot with a Browning 12 ga. pump, and I'm getting better with it at the same rate as the guy with a dedicated trap gun would with the same amount of range time. I picked up a Stoeger OU from Dick's a couple of weeks ago, got it out on the range just yesterday for the first time, and with the new gun on a new range, am not at all unhappy with the way I was shooting by the end of the day.

This is what I really like about the shooting community. I'm not a rifle guy, but the fact that a manufacturer who has no real obligation to directly address the concerns of a very small part of his market would come on here, register on the forum and directly answer questions makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. Thank you Mark, for stepping up. It's not your fault we live in NJ, and coming on and clarifying some of the issues was a nice thing you did. Welcome to the board. And to the Hell that is NJ.

agreed, i'll have to grow my own tobacco and learn how to make paper, Then it will be illegal to grow tobacco. Unless you're growing for the government. Tobacco products are a huge export item, and the failure of the tobacco industry would raise our trade deficits significantly. The Government could kill 2 birds... eliminate domestic use by nationalizing the domestic growers and manufacturers, and reap the benefits of being the sole exporter of cigarettes and tobacco products worldwide. They're not stupid, just anti-American.

Do you use tobacco? Tobacco tax Do you use rolling paper? - Paraphernalia tax You can't escape. All you can do is delay.

Bacon is bad for you so we should start taxing it. Just like... Soda. Hmm maybe we should just ban those things outright now! Politics 101 Before we ban anything, we monetize the shlt out of it. Keep levying and raising the taxes until the point of zero net gain, then ban it outright because there's no longer any profit in taxing it. It will soon happen to cigarettes. Each time the taxes go up, more people quit. When the taxes no longer support the bureaucracy, the move to ban will move to the forefront. And since the number of smokers will have been reduced to a statistically insignificant number, it'll be no problem, and the government will have nationalized another industry, since tobacco companies are too big to fail.

Two points on this statement: 1 - This is the first time in the history of America that, as a requirement of citizenship and under threat of fine or imprisonment, citizens have been required to purchase something simply as a result of living here. Even if I agreed with everything else in the package, that alone is enough to scare the crap out of me. What will we be "required" to purchase next? 2 - The groundwork is now laid for the single payer system that they really wanted. The bill outlines (without any details) the "minimum requirements" for health insurance plans that the insurance companies must offer. If the requirements turn out to be such that the companies cannot provide such coverage at the required prices, and are unable to provide those plans to the people who are covered by private insurance companies, what's a loving and caring government to do? Just provide such services directly. Single payer will happen through attrition of the private companies, who will slowly find themselves priced out of the system. Good morning, Comrades. It's the beginning of a Brave New World, and we get to be in on its inception. I feel so proud.

Chris, that is why we have the forum. It's not the first,,, won't be the last.

I shouldn't laugh, but I just can't help it. Screw it, you bet yer arse I should laugh. This is a funny story. What a maroon. Sheesh, do you actually read anything here, or just skim around for something with your name? I'm pretty sure the subject of permits has come up once or twice on the forum.

Couldn't be a nicer day for shooting. I just hope Matt had as good a time with his new toy. Oh... right. Not so much. Anyway, Troy, Mike, Dan (with daughter in tow) and I blasted away at clays for a couple of hours, shot the bull with a couple of the old-timers at the range, and had a generally good time in the sun. The Stoeger shoots nicely, but I have to adjust the pin springs. I had a couple of light hits on the Gun Club shells, but the Federals worked just fine. I saw some info on the Intrawebs on how to do that. I just need to find it again. It didn't seem too difficult. The guys at Sparta couldn't be nicer, offering help and shooting tips. I like that place.

Greetings and welcome.

Greetings, and welcome to the group.

The thrower is fixed, and the road is a bit rutted, but dry, firm and passable. All looks well for later. Yay! It looks like It's just the 3 of us (Troy, Mike, me) for today. Since we already know where to go, we can just show up at the range around 2-ish or so. If anyone else wants to come, we can meet at Kuiken Bros. around 1:30 and make our way from there.

Greetings and welcome.

I'm going to take a run down there in the morning to make sure the thrower is working. The "road" should be dry and solid by now, but if you need a ride in, it's no problem.

Sorry, Mark. Next time.

I'm sure NJ will consider that a slingshot, and therefore illegal.

I don't know what route you're taking, but there are 2 shops in Brodheadsville: Weaver's American Shooting Sports? American Sports Shooting? Something like that. AmSS is on the main drag through town (209?), and Weaver's is a couple of blocks off the main road. 2 very different shops, both worth a visit.

Nope, it's a technologically advanced catapult.

I don't know the exact price, but Silver Bullet in Rockaway seems to be the XD/XDm go-to guy. They've been in stock each time I've gone there, and I got my 9SC there last year. The prices are generally a bit on the high side, but Frank has been known to be flexible if you catch him in a rare good mood. HTH and YMMV K

Any updates on the "possibles" list? Assuming that the place is up and running, of course.

This one's just for Maks.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but this has been a bear of a week for me. Very busy, and the time change has me in a foul mood. I plan on drinking heavily this evening, but until then, some of these gave me a chuckle. Happy to share. http://burbia.com/indexpageimagegalleries

As well as water, and for some ridiculous reason, toilet paper.