Big Jay

Someone is afraid of snakes. Do you take the snake and throw it at them? No. You asked me about changing a mindset. Changing someone's mindset is done by eduction and training as well as hands on experience. The 27 words spell out in their essence that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed upon. How does any pro-ban supporter benefit from having something they're afraid of tossed in their face? That person most likely has never even shot a gun. Furthermore, you walk up to them and say: "This is your right that could be taken away." As they silently think to themselves: "Yeah how does that effect me?"

It's their business to sell papers, log webpage hits, and climb in the ratings. The media is the whore of society and will always be.

Finance. 30 years old. Really simple. Someone comes to me and says "I have $250,000. I want to make my money work for me. I need you to be proactive BUT I want to protect against losing it" I come up with an investment approach (Understand the proposed infringement on the 2nd amendment rights) The plan is put into action by placing the money in the correct investment vehicles (Write the correct reps on the local, state, and federal levels) Hedges are put into place as well to prevent downturns (Understand my rights in the event an AWB/restrictive legislation passes so I can further state my position to those opposing them) Insurance and other vehicles are put into place in the event of a catastrophic event. (Haven't quite gotten THAT far yet) Thanks for the avatar comment. Happens to be a Mil/Leo moral patch. Sure why not though. Guy's have outright pictures of womens' tits on here so why not lol

Correct. Bi-partisan is pretty much gone. He institutes an EO it will essentially drop a nuke on any bi-partisan hopes he had for the future. He essentially doesn't care about re-election so that's a non-issue. This came from another website clarifying when and what an EO can be issued on.

Simple. It's not the USA and Shimon Peres is not my president. How? Set up a booth offering free classes on handling a firearm. Set up a booth offering training sessions Two suggestions RIGHT there. Personally, I'll offer 50 rounds of my ammo shot through my G17 to any pro-gun ban supporter who thinks they might want to see what it's like to shoot a fire arm in a safe and controlled setting.

Trolling? How? I support the same thing as every single one of you. This is just so mind boggling that you people fail to start thinking and considering how this may end up panning out. Few questions: Has anyone thought about how we might address the nature of a non-grandfathered type ban? Has anyone thought about how we might address an import ban? What about a potential ban on import ammo? (This would be disastrous) Which by the way, the latter two CAN be entered via executive order. I've written plenty of my local representatives regarding some of more recent NJ bills as well as bills being proposed on a national level. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with talking about possibilities. Unfortunately, right now it does NOT look good. Simple as that.

When are you guys going to start addressing reality? LOL I don't deal in delusional. It's not how it works in my line of work. My line of work trains me to protect and avoid problems while simultaneously preparing for the fact they come to fruition.

Nope it's your RATIONAL and SENSIBLE 2nd amendment supporter. People wonder why they "label" us quacks.

Legal? Yes. That's all i can say. Is it right to do given the current climate? Nope. It's a matter of opinion which everyone is entitled to. You and myself include. My opinion is that they are doing MORE harm to our cause than good. Simple as that. Why? You do realize that to the uneducated, brainwashed by liberal media, peon associates firearms (particularly AR-15's) with death and destruction? This is contrary to the fact that more than likely a criminal incident would NOT occur in that vicinity at the time. We, you, and I realize that. They do not. They may never now. They may never because some lady on her way to work with Starbucks in hand just got the ever living crap scared out of her by some guy carrying an AR-15 through a major metro area.

Yeah well. That does make me feel good. I sure as hell didn't vote for him. "If" this goes through (yeah I deal in if's) I will make sure to take note of every representative in my voting district and definitely consider NOT (more than likely) voting for them next election cycle. It's one thing to raise taxes, support this healthcare nonsense...it's another to go against the constitution.

Sorry. There's a right time and place for everything. Those two in Portland got it wrong. Nothing you can say to convince me otherwise. There's also a right way. Alex Jones for example. I absolutely LOVED what he said. The content was simply beautiful. His delivery was piss poor.

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Correction. Open carrying an AR-15. Not a handgun. What purpose does he have to open carry an AR? Please, TELL ME. Just because he "CAN". This is the same type of stupid bravado that's going to give the liberal media more ammo to call us quacks. When are you guys going to start taking a "strategic" tact? Who said anything about feeling safe? I could give two craps less about feeling safe. More importantly, what is the general public and media reaction to this? Let me ask you ONE simple question. Do you think that was a smart move and supportive of what we're trying to over-turn?

Explain to me WHAT GOOD is that doing? How does THAT help? C'mon man. You guys are a little too far to the extremist side of all this. You can't fight society. You and i know that guy wasn't going to do any harm. Let me explain to you what happens: Guy open carries AR to "educate people". Bystanders panic Flood of 911 calls come in Officers respond, question the man. Most likely skirting just on the edge of infringing his rights Liberal media gets ahold of it. And guess what...you've just given them MORE AMMO TO TELL US WHY WE SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO OWN "AW's" When are people going to start getting smart about this?

Hello, welcome to present day earth. Nice to have you. Just because you can LEGALLY do something doesn't mean you should, especially given the current climate.

Yup. Never got that. Public carrying is a surefire way to make the general public uneasy about guns.

So you plan on taking no preparation steps? Perhaps understading the possibilities and repercussions of a ban WITHOUT grandfathering? How is that useful? Preparedness trumps hopefulness any day of the week in my book.

Ok now let me ask YOU then...what will YOU do if they institute an AWB?

You know what...never mind guys. You're right! Never going to happen. I'll just wave the flag, believe the ban won't pass, then sh*t my Hanes when it does and they don't "Grandfather" LOL

Everyone facepalms and flames. I've emailed countless senators, local reps, am an NRA member, and hell...give me ANOTHER organization to join. You realize that Obummer is more than likely going to sign an executive order? Yeah, i have no backbone. Thanks fellas LOL. At least I am not delusional thinking to myself "If I fight hard enough it won't go through!" What happened with Healthcare Reform LOL. My motto has been and always will be: Do your best not to make it happen but... Hope for the best and... Prepare for the worst.

Let's face it....a federal AWB is going to pass. Now, it doesn't mean much for us because we live in NJ and have been dealing with this for years. Let's say for example they ban everything by name. For example: "All AR-15 rifles characterized by an AR-15 type lower receiver." Do they grandfather? What happens if they don't? Can they even legally NOT grandfather?

And I just bought a Troy Medeival Brake! Now all i need is the handguard.

Well, I had one thing left on my list of firearms. That last item was to re-furb my current outdated M4 AR. It has an M4 gas system which i find just too snappy. Today I saw an opportunity and jumped on it. I purchased: 14.5" BCM BFH M4 Barrel w/ Mid-Length Gas System BCM Mid-Length Gas Tube BCM .750 Low-Pro GB It will all be mated to my existing BCM upper Soon I will be removing: 14.5" Bushmaster Barrel w/ NJ legal cage brake YHM bolt on FSB/GB with flip up BUIS Troy MRF 7" Battle Rail All goodies will be for sale shortly in the classified forum. Gotta get on that premium membership. In the past month I've bought: M1A SOCOM - $1750 3 G17 mags blocked to 15 - $30 a piece (reasonable I feel) = $90 2 M1A 10 round mags - $60 (also reasonable, given they are SA) AR Parts above - $410 Ouch. At least I can rest easy knowing if i need to sell later on I could!

I didn't end up going. Looks like it was a good move.

Can you give us feedback? I am thinking of maybe going for the first time tonight. Is the range really open till 10?