BigHayden

Proof that there is a God?

This is a chicken/egg thing. We wouldn't call them Fudds if they didn't offer us up as an appeasement on the altar of gun control. See Steve Sweeney, who has stated recently that there is a "hollow point bullet loophole".

Not me. I will not compromise on my rights, or anyone else's for that matter. BTW, there are pro-gun bills that have been introduced. Just like every other year, they get referred to the law and public safety committee run by "it takes me 30 seconds to change a magazine" Mainer and they never get any further. No amount of money or push from the NRA is going to change that. The only thing that will change the types of laws that get through the NJ legislature is to change said legislature. I think that NJ2AS's approach of starting to run our own candidates is our best bet. It may take years to get some of them in place, but if we remain committed, I believe we can fundamentally change the political landscape in NJ. And the best piece of advice that I've seen on this front is that we are going to have to run some candidates as Democrats. Many people in this state pull the lever for a particular party, so if we infiltrate that party, we increase our chances for success.

Don't quit your day job...

I missed his interview, but I did read the e-mail from the NJ2AS... WTF is the "hollow point bullet loophole"?? This just reinforces my earlier opinion of him. He's a Fudd. He does not believe in guns for self defence, only for hunting. On a related note, I am starting to understand how a person can be pushed over the edge and be driven to doing something that would be otherwise unthinkable. I'm afraid all those people who have been predicting a second American revolution are right.

The NJ legislature never starts on time.

It's not over until we all give up or we're all dead. Molon Labe, Mother F*ckers

And they're gone... Also, price now says $45.00.

Already gone...

Yeah, I gotta say it too. Either get her to change her grip (thumbs forward) or put a revolver in her hand. She's going to wind up with really nasty slide bite holding the gun that way.

jon, They are talking about the local ads, not that they are banning the channels they carry from running gun stuff. i.e. Bob's Little Sport Shop could not run their ad as a local Comcast commercial. I hate Comcast just a little more than I hate Verizon, so I've already taken my money elsewhere. When they started limiting bandwidth based on usage, that's when I dumped them for FiOS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svlohGzbPn4

Something tells me Bob Levy did not say that. More likely he simply said that a ban on >20 round mags would affect less people (which is true). I hate the way reporters spin things people say...

I did my own on my compact stainless. I had no trouble, and that was the first gun I ever changed the sights on. If you're mechanically inclined, I say go for it.

Technically yes, but the OP said about paying for NICS the way FFLs do. FFLs aren't charged for it directly was my point. Exactly. You can also include all those who say "just move to a free state" as well. Rights of the individual are supposed to be protected from the will of the many. This is why we abolished slavery and recognized the voting rights of blacks and women.

Yeah, this! What insurance company in their right mind would ever write a policy that pays damages if you do something on purpose? I guess that begs the question, if they can force us to buy it (like health insurance) and nobody sells it, are we in compliance with the law or not?

This is flat out wrong. Here is the 1998 law that was signed by then Governor Cellucci and I defy you to find where there is a sunset date. The 1998 ban was already permanent. The MA AWB was going to get worse because it only had exceptions that existed in the federal law. When the federal law sunset, thousands of legal gun owners in MA were going to become felons. The bill that Romneycare signed transfered the language from from the federal law and put it into the MA law, thereby saving gun owners from becoming felons. He did not make the AWB worse. He kept it from getting worse. From the MA gun owners group, GOAL, In 1998 the Massachusetts legislature passed its own assault weapons ban ( MGL Chapter 140, Section 131M). This ban did not rely on the federal language and contained no sunset clause. Knowing that we did not have the votes in 2004 to get rid of the state law, we did not want to loose all of the federal exemptions that were not in the state law so this new bill was amended to include them. Please do not misconstrue correcting a lie as support for that person. I did not like Romney as a candidate, but if we keep repeating the lies that the media reports, we are no better than the anti-rights crowd. We are supposed to be committed to the truth.

IOW, it's only illegal if you get caught.

Yeah, I knew were the confusion came from, though I didn't know that it had been resolved. I just wanted to point out where the "lowers as handguns" kerfuffle came from; the PASP and not the ATF.

OK, then your scenario is legal because NJ does define a rifle under 2C:39. I figured I was missing something, but I wasn't sure what. I've said it before, you learn something new every day.

Plenty of people purchased AO m1 carbines from NJ FFLs as well, but those transactions weren't legal, according to the AG, and they all had to be returned. We only need to fill out a COE for a stripped lower (btw, it is the PA state police that treat a stripped lower as a handgun, which is why we can't buy them in PA anymore), making them a rifle in NJ's eyes. The substantially identical clause in the definition of an assault firearm, as written by the AG's office, says: A stripped lower with a pistol grip and telescoping stock fits that description, even without an upper.

Maybe my memory is a little fuzzy, but aren't AR lowers transferred as rifles in NJ?

I don't think that's true. If the lower has a pistol grip, it already has two "evil features" (detachable magazine and pistol grip) and the adjustable stock makes it an assault firearm, even though it cannot fire a single round if there is no upper to go with it, since the lower is the firearm. If you were talking about an upper that comes with a flash suppressor and bayonet lug, but you do not have the lower for it, then your analogy makes more sense, since the evil features on the upper do not count until it is part of a rifle (or, at least, you have constructive possession).

NICS is a free service. NJ provides their own version of it so they can charge for it.

The petitioners are only challenging the "justifiable need" portion of the law. If we win, we still have to get a permit, but we would not have to provide a "justifiable need" to our police chief and a circuit court judge. We would be "shall issue", not permit-less carry.