mipafox

You guys will probablly run into one of two of my buddies that shoot there.

Having spent a lot of time out there in recent years, with a handgun, I'll take it. Even by your proposed interpretation of their regulations.

Since there should be no firearms laws, this should really not be an issue. Also, a cop cannot even "stop" or "check them out" or "name and address" in PA just because they see somebody carrying a gun. This is also true in the majority of America. I don't mean any disrespect, but I think all the regulation in NJ has clouded your thinking a bit. Most places aren't even as restrictive as your dream regulations, and they are not falling off a cliff into anarchy. Terry stop is not legal in PA or the majority of America for seeing somebody carrying a gun. Unfortunately, courts have often ruled that the rest of what you said is legal during a traffic stop. Do you have an example of somebody open carrying solely to create a confrontation? And please don't accuse ME of that, LOL Because that would mean I'm not doing a good job.

Great minds think alike. Some people say it would take 12 or 15, but I think we could bring Hope and Change with about 4.

California is better than both NJ and Hawaii by far for gun laws. Gun laws in CA are probably among the most complicated, there's probably more banned semi-auto rifles, there's 10 round mags (or not, could have 30 or BETA C-mags) and even that’s complicated (NJ is 15 rounds period), but people have guns. And transport laws are far less restrictive. And you can get a carry permit in probably 75% of the counties, and at least have a chance in the rest. If I had to be sentenced to one of the three states, it would be Cali hands-down. Let's face it, in NJ you are never allowed to have a gun. From a practical standpoint. Yes, you can drive around with an unloaded rifle or shotgun in your trunk with FID. But, if you need a gun, you won't have it. Unless you need one inside your home. Which is actually kind of confusing, since most of you don't think you need to carry inside your home. So, from this perspective, maybe there is an extra restriction for your AR-15s in CA. Maybe yours even needs that rediculous "bullet button" to drop a mag - but not all of them do. If you consider your firearms as simply toys, CA is a real deal-killer. If you actually think you might need them, CA is far better.

Again, not going to discuss the original story, I've never even met that dude, just thought you ladies and gentlemen would appreciate some context. I spent well over 30 years in NJ. I carried in several states growing up. Despite that, growing up in NJ left me with no understanding about how America works. All police in PA (not sure about state police, but otherwise) were trained on this in 2009: paopencarry.org/pdfs/mpoetc_oc.pdf Not everything in there is 100% accurate, but it did a pretty damn good job of reminding all police that they cannot perform a stop of somebody because they are open carrying, cannot search them because they are open carrying, cannot seize their weapon or property, and cannot demand ID. Cops could decide to talk to you and size you up. If you are willing. And until you decide to walk away. It's just like anybody else on the street that walked up to talk to you. Except a cop might seem authoritative even though he has no authority in these matters. Now, some of you will read that entire training document, including the minor errors, and somehow look for the conclusion that police in PA can hassle you over OC. That is not the case. Please understand, PA is not NJ. Also, we have the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in our Commonwealth Constitution. NJ is one of the few states that does not. Finally, there is Supreme Court (and other) case law in PA where criminals that were carrying had their cases thrown out because the police used carrying (or possession?) as their RAS for a search. Could Philly cops mess with you? Any cop can mess with you. That's why they are cops, so they can screw you over or plant drugs on you or whatever they do. All I can tell you is I have met dozens of cops all over the eastern half of the Commonwealth, including Philly, and most seem to be afraid to talk to me because I am carrying. They have been taught they will be sued if they approach me in a way that would suggest detainment. On the one hand, I think that's pretty crappy. Going to the other hand (foot in this case), they can't F with you. Under the Commonwealth Constitution, the Law, and the Case law, and, last but not least, the results of lawsuits. Of course, none of this will stop a cop that wants to stick his penis in your rectum, or otherwise screw with you on a less consequential basis that results in a trumped-up charge. Philly is indeed a place where you might meet such cops, so plan accordingly.

I am offended by your insensative statement!!! ( ) That would be a third revolution. And, that day was certainly before yesterday, so might I suggest tonight?

I'll be a little less cryptic, sorry about that There are excellent people and mediocre people and bad people that come out of most programs at most colleges. There was a time that "bad people" never came out of engineering programs. Anywhere. Rutgers, like some schools nowadays, doesn't have a very good rep for meeting reasonable or even minimum standards all of their engineering grads. They are not alone. It's a problem I think only started in the 90s. And, it's a problem I have witnessed first hand, in people I have hired from Rutgers. So, I've gone very far off topic for a simple post I made because I wanted to clear it up for a Rutgers student Just kidding, I meant it as a brief quip/inside joke, didn't mean to have to explain it. Sorry for taking it off-topic.

You are, and it's cheaper in PA than where I often work in NJ. Type in some zip codes and check out the prices.

I bet if you shot 5 you'd make quite a dent. Animals are funny that way. Kinda like areas where you can hunt deer. Dead deer and no deer. But nobody is allowed to most of the time anyway, so I'd suggest... darnit, probably not legal either. (I wouldn't put up with it)

Did you read what I responded to? I responded to this: Answer his question, do they teach a rational thinking course? As for engineering, do you think I meant that they literally don't have any curriculums? Did you go to Rutgers or something?

How can you legally get rid of it? Not sure what I would do if I had regular visits by that kind of pest. I don't think I could shoot it and let people know under normal circumstances.

I used to have to work there as well. Please stay safe, don't take any chances. Your job is not your duty.

Wow, I am humbled. Let me tell you a secret about my old, crusty a$$. I check a map before I leave the house. When one or more of my cool shits stops working or gives impertinent results, I still know what I am doing and the places I am going and where I am. Back in the old days, we called that a "plan," not an "app." Does that mean I don't use "apps?" No. It means I'm more efficient than you, and certainly more prepared for general inconveniences. Maybe "wherever you are" happens to be Summit. Your app aint going to get you better gas prices than the highest price you can find in all of PA (probably a slight exaggeration). OK, I'm obviously NOT responding to you in particular, and going overboard a little bit, that's just not my favorite brand of preaching. I've obviously got issues with it LOL

You are completely right. Everything you said before this was stupid. Or uninformed and rabidly anti-gun. Take your pick.

It was Irvington. New Jersey. I read the whole post and the article and I can't find any news.

That's extremely cool. I actually just saw one of those (on the net) a week or two ago. MAN, what those peeps do with 10/22s. Some of the stuff they do, not even including FA, is not legal in NJ at all. I have seen and shot some crazy 10/22 clones of other guns at the range. This aint like it was 10 or 15 years ago with the aftermarket stuff.

Like I've always said, I've OC'd for 3 years and never been harrassed by cops for it. All over the eastern half of PA, from south to north, including Philly. And, including inside banks on a weekly basis. I did have a cop follow me into a state store one time. Probably because he checked the NJ plates on my rental car Never even said a word to me. I've run into dozens and dozens of cops that have noticed my sidearm all around PA. Including several standing in line behind me to get coffee or goodies at the nearest stop-and-rob. None have ever spoken to me, but I've gotten about a dozen head-nods. .

If you go to Hamburg, you will see people OCing there.

They don't teach engineering, I can tell you that.

I agree. And yet, somehow, by a miracle, nothing seems to happen. Even though about 1/20 carry outside of NJ, MD, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Cali. Referring to carry of firearms, certainly not riding bikes or driving cars. And a hell of a lot more people carry than ride.

I think the first question should be: Are you already trapped in NJ or are you planning to move to NJ? Because the algorithm would branch quite a bit from there.

Please don't post pics.

Most likely a violation of federal law, with possible exceptions. He didn't have enough room in his safe so he left them with you in a different state is not one of those exceptions. You generally should not transfer firearms interstate without an FFL. Oh, BTW, blackpowder guns and BB guns and slingshots and water pistols etc. are not firearms under federal law.

Not commenting on the dude in Philly. But I thought I would provide a little of my perspective. I carry outside waistband, on my hip, every day. For almost three years. And I go to stores every day of the week. Usually more than one. I need fresh food. I carry everywhere I go except the post office. During every season except the winter, you would call this open carry. Because I often wear a coat during the winter, but not always then either. Don't need a coat for running into a store and don't like wearing them inside a car. I spend most of my time in Lehigh Valley. But have been everywhere east of Harrisburg (including Harrisburg) from north to south, and never had any problem - including Philly. When I go to my Wegmans, which is at least twice a week, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the cars in the parking lot have NJ plates (sprinkled with NY plates). When I go to my bank, at least 1/3 of the plates in the parking lot are from NJ or NY. Yes, I carry inside my bank. Yes, on my hip, in the open. To my knowledge, nobody has ever called the cops on me over the past 3 years. One time, I did have a cop stalk me into a state store, but he never even approached me. I have had people ask me questions about it or give me thumbs-up about once every other month or so. Particaularly women. I met two women that wanted to carry but never got around to figuring out the whole process to get a license to carry firearms. One time a black woman in line at Walmart seemed nervous because she thought I was security and maybe following her. Other than that, nothing negative has ever happened. So, people will not freak out if you carry a gun on your hip. Even thousands of people from NJ and NY, over a period of years, even inside banks. If you think it's a bad idea, that's fine. If you think it will instantly cause widespread panic outside of some place "out west," you are simply uniformed.