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  He was not correct, and nobody disputed it was illegal to carry in a vehicle without a permit (with exceptions). If you feel differently, provide a quotation as an example. Three things. First, nobody said it was legal to carry a LOADED long gun in a vehicle. Quote anybody in this thread that said that. It is a summary offense (usually a ticket, but worse is possible) and also a violation of fish and game regulation (a ticket). Except in Philly or during a state of emergency, where even an unloaded gun is an issue. Pro tip (Again) - PA is usually in a state of emergency. You can't bring your long arm to PA right now (with exceptions), sorry. Second, you are using two different definitions of firearms. The law you quoted only applies to handguns, SBRs, SBS, machineguns, and AOWs. "firearms" does not mean long guns in that section. Third, carrying a handgun concealed or transporting in a car is not a felony by default. It is a felony if you have no LTCF and are not qualified to get one if you needed one. It is normally a misdemeanor if you simply have no LTCF. If you need me to explain anything else about what you posted, let me know.

You might consider signing up with these guys: http://amgoa.org/ Or even giving them a hand here and there. It's sort of a clearinghouse of gun related stuff, such as proposed laws, gun shows, events, picnics, protests, rallies, etc. I think they are running low on staff and could use your help.

No, I don't. I taught you it is required to TRANSPORT a handgun, SBR, AOW, or Machinegun (firearm for the purposes of this section, not to include long guns). Or any type of firearm in Philly, or during a state of emergency (which PA is in more often than not, and is now.) With defined exceptions. The law says "carry," I agree, but it's very important that you, as a n00b, understand that you can't have a handgun in the car without a permit to carry from any state. Not even unloaded in the trunk. That's why I prefer the term "transport" for dealing with Jerseyites, just to keep it short and to the point.

It's because of you guys. I know Dennis has been on this for years, since I cut the Jersey cord (now I can't stand that station). But the work you guys do, calling, bitching, writing, every legislator and news organization is what is fueling this. NJ gun laws can't stand the light of day. Not in this day and age. A bunch of complete backwards fXXXs from a different time. You make your people aware, and this crap will end. You don't have to turn them, just make them aware of what America is really like and what the girl next to them at Disney World is packing.

I don't think Blue Line can spell all of that, but it does bring up an interesting question. If you catch me with a handgun in Jersey, and you know it's me, will it be education, or enforcement? (5 to 10 years in jail) I will add that I have stepped in on a police situation (not to mention many that were faster) to help a cop I thought was being attacked and Blue Line said he would never want me to help him if he found himself screwed. This is what we have to deal with.

First time I fired FSC 556 it was because it was on a bud's upper that I borrowed. I didn't even know what it was. I started shooting and thought, "Why is this rifle not recoiling?" That being said, they are blasty. I didn't think it was blasty the first time I shot it, but I figured it out later. It is earthquake blasty on an 11.5". It will punch you in the feet from the ground and run up your spine before you hear the sound. I also burned the baffles out of one. They can't handle extensive cyclic fire from my personal experience. There were no baffle strikes, simply gas erosion. Somebody told me they might have had bad steel at one time but I don't know. Honestly, the A2 does a pretty good job and not blasty. ATF may call it a flash hider, but Military calls it a comp. Obviously not as effective as FSC556, which has baffles. But not blasty.

I tried to trick him with a faux impassioned case for slightly more gun control and when I got his response I realized he was the real deal. Then I apologized to him and explained why I was trying to test him.

Somebody I knew sent him some campaign money, but I forget.

Sorry, I meant "UFA." Pennsylvania Uniform Firearms Act. There are one or more states that say having a firearm in a car is concealment. That has NEVER been mentioned in PA. Do you know how many dozens of times I have posted 6106 (b) here? You've gotta be kidding me. I've been EDUCATING people since I joined here that you need a license to transport a firearm in a conveyance in Pennsylvania (with exceptions). I probably taught YOU. That does not equal having a gun in a car means the gun is carried concealed. Well, not in Pennsylvania anyway. That's like saying, "Well, the reason you can only make reasonable deviations in Jersey is because if you make a deviation then the gun is loaded with bullets. Here, see this? It says only reasonable deviations. That's because a deviation makes the gun loaded. A gun in a car becomes loaded if there is a deviation." 1 + 2 does not prove 4.

And the PinesAnd the Coastal Plain Physographic Province The Kirkwood Cohanse The wildlife The mountains The farms The fishing The tomatoes The corn I could go on for hours about the things I like about Jersey. The list of things I don't like about Jersey is very short and would take 30 seconds. And could be solved tomorrow with 7 neutron bombs. My comment was a little poorly worded and not clear. If you travel the world, or work with or have foreigners as friends, it becomes very obvious that we have a disproportionate concentration of prima donnas in this land, and Jersey is certainly NOT an exception. Plenty of great women, but no shortage of bitches.

I lube the crap out of my guns. This aint Iraq or any other country that Barak surrendered to. Obviously there are parts you should NOT lube.

I am sorry, but you are mistaken. PA law has never considered a firearm in a car as "concealed" as far as I know. And only a fool is certain, but I am pretty damn sure about that and you should probably find positive contradictory information in this case. Like I said, I believe that is a law from one or more midwestern states.

Nobody called me. Did you see it online or something? Or did they send you unsolicited mail?

Take the high ground.

How did they figure out you guys were Red Bull purchasers for the class action suit?

  It's not the reason. I believe you are thinking of Ohio or some other midwestern state where this is codified into law (I forget which state). It is true it is not in the law as I stated and you agreed. A 1930s legal review of the proposed NFA stated the reason for prohibition of firearms in cars was that a criminal leaving the scene of a crime could hide his weapon in the car to avoid police discovery. It had nothing to do with the consequences (real and imagined) of carrying a concealed firearm.

I've never used any of the new high speed stuff. Also never used motor oil although I would have no problems doing so. I still use the old school stuff even though I know it burns off faster than some stuff. I only avoid CLP. After 25 years of using that crap in the military and civilian life I read online that it gums up if left on the weapon for extended periods. Then I realized, "That's happened to me! More than once!" That was, until I found this:

There are about 20 clubs within 10 minutes of EFG. Every borough has 1 to 3 clubs, every township has 3 to 10. I have never been to any of them, so I can't speak from experience. EFG is very popular, so you are probably not going to find much better. I have never been there, but you can sometimes hear me from there, and you will know when you do (no it's not some mythical cop range, just me). East Bangor is great for blasting the crap out of stuff, but they raised the membership from $5 to $25 and it's a s***hole. If the Spanish dude runs out and yells, "No semi alto!!" just tell him "Chuppa mi pinga" and switch to auto. He's just some dork. One of the clubs in Moore Township is like EFG but better and also a secret. Good luck guessing which one. One of the two clubs in Bath is great for archery, including shooting from tree stands. Not sure why you can't just do that in your back yard, but people seem to like it. They suck for guns, require you to count seconds between each shot (Fudd range). Things get a little more interesting when you get about 20 minutes west of the Jersey border. Guthsville is very popular.

Slow down there, cowpoke. You are generally reliable and well researched. Where the hell did you come up with all this bullshit? Open carrying in a car is considered concealed? Citation of law please. Rescinded all reciprocity agreements? Who are you and what did you do with Pizza Bob?

Spears weren't approved for hunting when I took the test due to population density. We had to chase the target off a cliff. There's only three cliffs in Jersey, so getting a good spot on opening day of cliff season was a real bitch. Now people are shooting crossbow. Wish NJ gun laws would evolve like this.

Aitken. /thread. BTW, this challenge was put out a couple years ago about hollowpoints. "How come I never heard about it?" is a pretty dumb argument. You think everybody that gets busted for guns in Jersey with no other crimes makes the papers? BTW, I met that challenge on hollowpoints, it happened a few months later. Oh yeah, and Aitken. Separate incident, though, and that was a deal. They are not transport laws. They are POSSESSION laws. Without license to carry a handgun, possession of a handgun is illegal in Jersey by default. Exceptions are provided. One of the exceptions is going between certain locations. Different residences is NOT an exception, except when "MOVING." We got another condemned one here with Hope Fever.

It's easy. I don't have any inside info, but it was clear to me they are not trying to weed people out. They are trying to educate, and I saw complete idiots get a few tests. I think the tests are only there to encourage you to get your crap together and at least listen to the lecture (internet now?) and do a little damn bit of practice before heading out into the field for Pete's sake. I don't agree with mandatory hunter training, but it doubly pains me that this is actually a well intentioned and run NJ government program. They are not out to get you. BTW, not all hunters graduate Chemical Engineering or compete in the Olympics. I think you'll be fine. Read your notes and spend an hour or so practicing. The only hint I have is that the answer to "What should you do if lost?" is not "shoot three flaming arrows into the air." Jersey licensing tests crack me up. Their answer is stay where you are. Now you already have one question right Of course, my answer is you should have had a panic azimuth if you can't read a topo map.

It means going to a range, of course. You move when you go to a range. You have the fever, and unfortunately I cannot treat it. Best of luck.

  Are you moving if you are going to a range? "To carry any firearm unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported and the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, from one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair." It's clear as glass. The distinction is obvious. You buy it and you take it the hell home. You can't take it to your various properties or homes unless MOVING. But I do have some bad news. You have the fever. Hope. Abandon hope all ye you enter Jersey. Don't get your rear in a sling.

It means what it says. MOVING. It doesn't say that about going to a range, or taking a firearm from a place or purchase, or any other situation. This dude went to jail for 7 years for it. People say, "Oh, those charges went away, hollowpoints." Bullshit. Read the record. You don't get 7 years in jail for hollowpoints or magazines, he was rotting in jail for having two unloaded handguns in his trunk. The rest was a later development that was likely worked out as a deal by Nappen. Be very careful. There is a fever of hope, word games, and wishful thinking among the condemned. Rest assured - there is no hope for the condemned. There is no, "How could that possibly be true? It doesn't make sense. It must mean this." Do not fall into the trap. Jersey all but outlawed firearms, and the court's position is: It is law and custom in Jersey that the legislature has intended to restrict and limit firearm ownership as much as possible, and people deal with firearms in Jersey at their own peril. That being said, what is legal and the frequency of people going to jail are two different things. But the consequences are SEVERE if that moment comes.