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bdomar - if you get nabbed, tell them that you need to file an insurance claim and you need proof. Ask for someone's name if they turn you around, but be polite. Bring a big box of coffee, some cups and a dozen bagels. You'd be surprised at what being polite and bearing gifts of coffee and treats will yeild.

Foreplay if Obama gets re-elected.

This is when we need to brand looters on the spot for the first offense, if they aren't shot. A nice brand across the back of the hand or forearm. Get caught a second time and take a few fingers.

Because this is NJ, and you have to be awfully careful what you type is the main jist of my being vague. For one, I have a severe bear problem and the bears know enough if that if they hear a pump they start running and get out of bean bag range fast...so I am told. Also, in the advent of a ND, better a bean bag round first then lead if I am not the one handling the firearm. Mistakened ID happens. If I suspect a perp, before my 590A1 is even shouldered, that bean bag round will be on the floor and some 00 will be in the pipe. Is this okay? Also, what the NRA and other civilian based courses present, versus real world tactics / genuine tactical shooting are WORLDS apart. The safety liabilities would be endless. My USCG Boarding Party school taught things that would have the NRA educators having seizures with what we did with shotguns / M16's. As well as the NRA LE Development Schools I attended. If I 'share' some of these, some asshat is going to sue me if things go wrong. Is this okay?

Maybe people don't feel like dealing with your scrutiny today. Take a step back and perhaps take a look at how you are addressing and criticizing each person and that might be an indicator as to people taking the approach to your questions. It seems that you are looking for arguements today. Just chill dude. Some of us have other things going on.

Really, don't lose sleep over this okay?

There is not tactical benefit, it is a safety benefit and I will leave it at that. Guess you missed the part about chambering a lethal round if needed. That bean bag will hit the floor if I feel a threat.

Bolt gun. Why? Because you are limited to round nose ammo in a tublar feed magazine on a Lever Action. I've owned a Marlin 336 for 25 years and love it, but am limited on ammo / bullet choices. However, the Lever Gun is faster for follow up shots. Most bolt users will break off the shoulder when chambering the next round because you don't want your nose kissing the bolt.

Belleville...car jacking? Just a normal day. Growing up in Belleville, having car-jackings is nothing new when you have all the scum from North Newark a short walk / bike ride / single fare bus trip away. Shotgun has a bean-bag round chambered, but will quickly be pumped for a 00 round if need be. The AR is in cruiser ready and any of my Sig pistols have one in the pipe. In the yard and farting around the house I have a pistol. IF I feel a threat is near, I always go for a long gun. Pistols are there for malfunctions or to fight your way to your long gun.

Reminds me of one of the last scenes in Animal House when the parade has totally gone out of control...Kevin Bacon, "Remain calm, all is well here"....and then trampled by the fleeing crowd.

Yea, I'm never too far from a firearm either. Between bear and other things, one can never be too safe.

Thanks for the replies. I hit Davis which is much closer to me. 29.99 a pound...what's BH charging?

I like to answer my phone when I know who it is, "suicide hotline, please hold". And put them on hold.

Book stores and libraries will be safe.

Reloaded a bunch of M1 ammo last week. Cleaned, cooked, kept kids busy. Chainsaw lubed and gased up ready to roll if need be. Lots of wood brought inside for the stove. We are about as prepared for hunkering down as we can be. Now, if I get only get the wife in the mood after the kids go to sleep, my check list will be complete. Time to break out the red wine.

There is no way I could bring all my firearms with me and have room for food, clothing and family. All my ammo would bottom out even my Suburban 2500's shocks. At the very least, a Sig or two in my small portable Gun Vault and a shotgun will be traveling with me no matter what. My actions, certainly are not going to have a LEO ripping apart my car with no probable cause. Even if they did, I am on my way to destination X, and I have every right to transport my legally owned guns. As far as coming to my door to confiscate all my firearms during a declared disaster, my PD isn't going to do that. We are Mayberry and in a town that is 2/3's state forest and one traffic light, leaglly armed citizens isn't a concern. Keeping urban invaders at bay via a neighborhood watch, will allow the PD to attend to other tasks. And yea, leaving the wife home to protect the firearms got a good laugh.

Welcome from up the road in Bloomingdale. Get a Glock, then sell it later for a better gun. Buy a 10/22 and keep it forever. (I still have a G19C...for my young daughters to use) In all honesty, I suggest a nice 38/357 revolver for a first pistol. Simple and safe until you dry off behind the ears.

Welcome from Bloomingdale and a St Mary's Family. Heading their in about 10 minutes for CYO tryouts.

Please, call it an adjustable stock. You'll have the NJSP tapping your phone if you even mention a c-o-l-l-a-p-s-e-a-b-l-e stock.

Just an after thought to add here. Using the term, "compared to an AR". I am guilty of this as well, but let me interject something here. If you buy / build a AR for $700 let's face it, odds are you are using less then top shelf parts (Colt, Stag, LMG, DD,...). At this example, I would say the Mini-14 will out-shoot and out last your bargain bin AR. If you have which most of us are considering an AR, is more in the $1000+ range then we are not comparing like for like. I have seen some real garbage LPKs, out of spec lowers, crappy upper's, PRC made / TAPCO sights falling apart, etc. So, for $600 / $700 I think you get a better all purpose gun with the Mini. If that is all your budget can afford, go with a beefier / newer model and avoid the older pencil barrels like I have. FWIW, I don't think I've ever had a malfunction with mine shooting every and anything. A squib once and forcing it back down the barrel sucked compared to pushing it forward via the chamber end like on an AR. A-Squad never hit anything with a Mini-14...very funny. Last note: To prove a point, I shot and killed a large 4 pointer in VA about 8 yrs ago using my Mini-14. Ammo was Wolf Black Box FMJ and a BSA Red Dot. Good shot placement hitting both lungs very close to the hear @80 yards in a hardwood forest. Round passed thru, busted up some bone chips and the buck only ran about 50'. A friend was busting my balls that a 223 round can't kill a deer, so I decided to show him. DON'T try this at home.

Good write up. I have a bunch of schools / training / instructor ratings in rifles and pistols. I need to find the time and mostly money to get some genuine shotgun training. The course is cheap...the ammo however is another story.

Good question on why the high price. I still have a Mini-14 in stainless I bought when I was stationed in AK. It served me well for a survival / truck gun. Would I buy another...No. They just can't compete with an AR in my opinion.

When it comes my time to escape, I'll just unbolt my safe, lay it on its side, and fill it with peanut foam to the point they have to be compressed in order to close the door, and let the movers earn deal with it.

Elope to Vegas.

BTW - Great article in that link. I've never seen actual graphs like that showing the pressure curves. I bought so much HXP back when it was cheap, I am just about to start reloading it with H4895. After seeing this graph at how well the plugs work I am not a paranoid if I had to use commercial ammo in a pinch with the plug. Bottom line stick with standard 150g loads and good maintenance and you should be fine. For the new M1 guys, just a note of caution, when you are cleaning your M1, turn it upside down so as not to get any bore crud into your gas port opening. A little compressed air when disassembled doesn't hurt to make sure it keeps clear.