JackDaWack

A significant amount of these restrictions, especially being in a vehicle, are clearly going to be challenged based on Bruen.

I could be wrong, but the law doesn't reference failure to comply with restrictions outside the statutory restrictions. If You did obtain a permit to carry, you have satisfied the statute... that is all it requires for statutory compliance. I'm asking because I don't know how the restrictions are applied, is the permit rendered to as invalid under the restrictions? If the vehicle restrictions is listed on the permit, it would seem to work in reverse. You would be required to put the handgun in the trunk. Lets say you drive to the food store... the statute listed on the permit for vehicle transport doesn't apply... g.All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b., subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances. if you are always headed to a gas station when asked... the transport law doesn't apply!!! Thus you are not restricted under the statute listed on the permit/order.

That's what I have figured... My second thought was the "driving/vehicle" restrictions name the statute by code.. which only applies to someone who doesn't have a permit to carry, or more specifically is going somewhere specific or hunting per section 2 as it's a listed exception and not a blanket requirement. Subsection 2 doesn't apply, therefor neither would the requirement to follow the transport law. So technically you would be following the court order even if you carried the gun on your hip while driving. How? You have not broken a law.

So i just thought of something.... If the court places restrictions on your permit... and you violate them... what happens? Have you broken a law? Or would you be held in contempt of court? While a judge may place restrictions.. well not really.. but even if they do they don't appear to be legally binding.. I don't see any laws for violating said court order.

I would avoid biometrics in a vehicle, they can be iffy on a good day. I used to wear gloves a lot for my old job during the winter, and I could barely clock in with my prints, sometimes it wouldn't work at all. I picked up the Hornady AR Rapid gun locker and have been really impressed with it, they make all sorts of versions for vehicls. I put the RFID tag on my watch, and if that don't work the combo takes 3 seconds to input...

My Ap went in last week, so any updates are welcome. They've always been good with everything else, the girl at the window said some applications had already been approved.

"Allowed" doesn't really put it into context. The law was passed, but its going to be challenged. I read somewhere everyone up there is pretty pissed off about that

I've been summoned 3 times to serve jury duty, and not once even made it to the jury pool... its like they know...

I would correct you on one thing. NJ law doesn't actually permit the Judges to do anything post Bruen. Bruen states the permitting process must be objectionable, and can only restrict sensitive places... Right off the bat, if even one person gets different restrictions then another, "objectionable" is off the table. And a car on a public road is in no way a sensitive place. The legislation is not directing the outcome, Bruen is, or the judges lack of respect for Bruen. I'd honestly, if I were him, begin looking into suing for judicial misconduct and seeking to remove judicial immunity from the judge. It's a long shot, but something needs to happen.

Because it happend in JC i think and some camera caught the incident on tape. I beleieve he tried to argue he did infact tell they guy off, but LEO isn't buying based on the video. The video would appear he just ran up and suckered punched him. Here it is: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/hudson/2022/08/hudson-man-knocked-out-car-burglar-with-one-punch-now-hes-charged-with-manslaughter.html%3foutputType=amp

There are some others listed in the rules directly. It's very much a grey area until the final rules are published, and even then will probably remain a grey area. The checklist they are producing would seem to generally omitt others as of right now.. The primary reason they aren't talked much about is because NJ and CT are the only places others are popular due to our laws.

You mean I can't just blast a shotgun through my closed front door? On a more serious note, a guy in NJ is headed to jail pretty soon for punching, and killing, a person who was trying to break into his car. The reasoning for the charge? He didn't first ask the perp to fuck off. Yes, you have to actually tell someone to not steal your property before attempting to stop them from doing so.

You can resize the photo in a lot of apps, I found the easiest was to take a good picture and resize it to 144pixels squared... thats 1.5 inches and worked great.

NJ allows "others", as the NJSP have opinioned that they can be sold here, and are not by NJ law considered to be SBRs. Through all of the ATFs efforts, nothing in NJ law is changing. This is a change at the federal level. Since NJ has defined what an SBR is, they would have to change it to mirror the ATFs proposed rules for it to take effect at the state level. However, with the change at the ATF we have to wait and see if an "other" you own will be classified federally as an SBR, which may require a tax stamp. Makes for a really great cluster fuck when a firearm is defined two different ways at the federal vs state level.

You also have to have them locked up as to prevent access to anyone but yourself. Even if just you and your wife live in a house, she cannot access the firearm without you present. IMO, I would be more likely to register them as an AOW by reducing OAL to under 26". No approval needed for going over state lines etc. We can't have stocks either way, so it seems the mose appropriate for us... then again if the AWB is struck down, a lot of shit is gonna change for us.

NJs SBR definition is statutory, and an "other" falls outside the language as confirmed by the NJSP. Federally, they are redefining through ATF rules and regulations what an SBR is... My IANAL response would be that the federal law is more restrictive than the state. So a federally defined SBR, mat not be an SBR by NJ standards... even if you have a tax stamped and registered SBR.. you would still be required to keep the brace on it... where many people in free country will be able to finally throw a stock on without paying the 200 bucks.

Once the new rules are published.... by their retarded definitions... well, you are in possession of something they believe should be tax stamped. So they will allow you to get a stamp for it retroactively..

I've been reading some news about the ATFs plan to provide amnesty to firearms with braces, and the needed funding to provide it for free. Keep an eye out for anything published by the ATF for further details. I'm not sure how this will effect "others" in NJ, but they are claiming to provide free tax stamps to anyone who submits a form for an SBR. I'm curious if you could form 1 an "other", keep it in current format as a Federally classified SBR, but in NJ have it classified as is an "other". I would hope that at some point a suit is brought once the rules are published.

You sign right in the box where the Notary signs. On the back of the application.

They might be denying those qual forms because it's not clear which firearm you qualed with and the scores each one recieved. IIRC, they just line item listed your handguns, and you could add any after the fact. In contrast, GFH gives you a seperate qual form for each firearm, one firearm listed per form. Since you can only carry what you personally own, and there is no accessible firearms data base for police to search, I wouldn't be surprised they want the firearms listed on your permit you can carry. As of right now, the only firearms going on permits are ones that were accompanied by a qualifications.

Consider that Prior to Bruen, the courts were the place where permits were denied. That was the states way to prevent and intimidate applicants from applying. They can no longer prevent the issuance, but they sure can intimidate applicants by the process alone.. PDs were adding similar kinds of "meetings" for FPIDs with additional criteria to dissuade people from applying. Our courts are swamped and under staffed, by judges etc... the fact they haven't rubber stamped the process tells you they want to continue having a finger on the pulse of who gets permits and who doesn't. Two of the criteria they are responsible for over seeing is already conducted at the administrative level.. the courts only responsibility is to add restrictions to the permit, which post Bruen should only indicate sensitivity places... and IMO that should be legislatively done because Bruen requires objective, and not a judge's subjective opinion. Case in point, everyone's permits should contain the same exact restrictions, otherwise there is no objectivity to them. So it does seem to continue to be part of a process to dissuade people from applying.

I had no issues with a g19(98%)and p938(94%)at 25 yards.. pretty sure I hit all 7 shots for each at 25yards. Yes, practice! I spent the day prior with both and shot about 100 rounds each at 25yards, I didn't do well at first.. but got on target by the end. My misses were due to the relaxed nature of shooting a target at 7yards... how could I miss? lol... well pretty easily if you're not using the fundamentals you absolutely need to hit at 25. Don't rush like I did, maybe had some nervous bugs too when you start. J frame is about the size of the p938, but with less grip area less ergonomics IMO.. a J frame might be challenging. I also used an extended mag which bought me some extra real-estate.

My PD had a "to do list" which originally did not request the BC or Passport. I went to drop off yesterday and they said I needed copies of either.

Well, day 1 starts for me. Will update as I recieve info in sussex.

I don't even see the issue if the door was closed. With video recording, you only need to show his intent to enter the home.