Dan

My thoughts are that using the same gun and ammunition as your local LE agency is the safest route against your choice of gun or ammo being turned into an argument in court. Anything they try to spin against your choice, would in effect be saying the same things of the local LE agency. That being said, after starting to reload, I started asking myself this same question again. This topic was one of my first posts on the forum here, and I remember others' argument that deadly force is deadly force no matter what kind of bullet or ammo that you use. Think about it.. No matter what , stuff can be twisted against you, so my new thinking is shifting towards using the ammo / loads that you feel most comfortable with no matter what they are. LE ammo - "Oh so you think you are a cop now, Mr Vigilante?" Hunting ammo - "Oh, so you want to hunt humans, you had your chance didn't you" Self defense ammo - "Oh, so you were just waiting for an opportunity to try your exploding designed to kill humans ammo" Cowboy ammo - "Oh, so you think you're a cowboy now? You act like you live in the wild west?" Target ammo - "Oh, so you view people as targets... ehe Looks like you got your headshot here" Cheap plinking ammo - "Oh, so you view people as things to "plink" off the face of the earth, and you have 4,000 rounds of the stuff also!" Reloaded ammo - "Oh, so you like to create extra deadly human killing ammo, and couldn't wait to test it out"

Thanks Jimmy, kind of you to offer. I took a quick look around Craig's list, didn't find any real good deals, and also saw a bunch of WTB's for gun safes. Seems not a good option at this time. I'm eying some good deals over at Costco. My other option is to focus on the HG collection of which I can still fit a few in the current safe.

Can't make this one.

Funny I was looking at that same one. Just have to find room for it. It may have to live in the garage. I really wish I had a basement.

Here's a link to the process for anyone who cares to read it.

$434 in fees. Unreal how NJ gets away with its process, even more unthinkable that NYC can get away with this.

Bullseye Tactical Supply just opened in Woodbridge on Main St not too long ago. Worth checking with them.

My friend and his friend are both starting the process to get a HG permit in NYC. They were both gun apathetic until I took my one friend shooting. He was thrilled and can't wait to go again. He showed his other friend pics and videos and now he's going for his permit as well. My buddy is hiring some agency to help him in NYC. I told him he could do it all himself, but he wanted to make sure everything was A-OK. Supposedly this agency touts that they can get permits through faster by avoiding all the common mistakes and providing additional information up front that inevitably gets asked and causes delays. I thought our process was bad, but once you start reading NYC's permit process and laws your head will start spinning. Shooting sports fun is contagious!

I'm not taking it serious, neither should you. It is obvious it is a poorly done doctored up propaganda production. Looks like a M16A1, the first iteration with the forward assist. You can tell when the tester is slamming it in disgust everytime there is a malfunction. Posted this more as a joke.

As others said, best to find a FFL/dealer willing to either do the mods for you, or maybe you can even bring your own pre-neutered fixed stock and swap it out onsite. Only take a few minutes. Of course you would have to clear everything with the FFL before you have them take in the gun. Mags are easy, you could either pay the FFL to permanently fix them, or just forfeit them and leave them with the FFL to add to their collection. Threaded barrels/flash hiders are more complicated as they need drilling/pinning/welding. The FFL/dealer has to be set up and able to do this, not many are. Unless there is something you really really want, typically it is best to try to buy the gun with a pre-pinned muzzle brake, or non-threaded barrels from the source.

Video evidence. Look at their frustration and cringing faces, lol http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dc3_1331925091

I'm not saying they won't stabilize, I'm just saying from my research, I've outlined what twist rate corresponded to the optimal bullet weight. A 1:9 may stabilize a 69gr bullet with decent results, just that it won't be the best match from what I have been reading. I'm no expert, and is all IMO. I do shoot 55gr and 62gr all day long in my 1:7 BCM upper all day, and it does great. But that's me just me plinking using a red dot scope at 100 yards. Would I pick a 1:7 to shoot 55/62gr for precision out at 400 yards, no I wouldn't, I'd load it up with some 75/77gr rounds for that.

To thug for me

There has to be a surface area limit that they can capture at 1 meter resolution at a time. Maybe they will randomly point the cam at interesting things going on during the time the ISS is above it in orbit.

Lots of lead available on ebay. Flat rate shipping boxes are great for it. The USPS must hate lead! http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=lead+ingots&_sacat=See-All-Categories

That's a good idea. I'll check into that. It would have to be a smoking deal. As you said, moving it would be most of the battle, I don't want to be responsible for damaging someone's stairs or walls.. Then I have to coordinate with a friend with a pickup truck and heavy duty hand truck.

lol, safe room for the win!

I already have my milsurps (3 mosins, enfield, and an SKS) stuffed in an old Service Merchandise think steel gun safe in the utility room, along with powder and crap. The rest of the collection is in the good safe, but no more room. Unless I cable lock some and stuff them in gun socks, scattering them throughout the house closets...... I can already hear my wife, plus they would be open to theft if we get burglarized....

Yea, you need specialty loads to hit the 500ft/lbs mark for both 9mm luger and .45acp. Which is the entry point for hydrostatic shock territory. Not something to really form a basis on for either round. Which leaves shot placement (hitting something critical) and wound channel damage to cause bleeding in semi-vital organs, etc. One can argue you can get more 9mm shots off more accurately emphasizing and increase in better shot placement and chances of hitting vital stuff. Where the .45 causes a more damaging wound channel, emphasizing an increase in the chance of causing more of a bleed out.

Tis why .357sig is my favorite pistol round. I want to get 10mm, but haven't done so yet for fear of adding yet another caliber to add to the stockpiles.

Only 9mm Luger +p+ can barley hit over 500ft/lbs

.357sig 125gr loads hit 584ft/lbs , edit : technically it is a 9mm caliber bullet!!

This guy thinks so. IMO just like anything, tons of variables have to be taken into account, and HG's at the lower threshold of potentially causing "hydrostatic shock" would have a lower chance of causing it over a rifle round. Scientific Evidence for "Hydrostatic Shock"

Brembo Calipers have the best stopping power, IMO of course...

Its a sad day when you realize that you can no longer buy any more guns because you have zero room left in your safe. Time for another safe, which stinks as that is potential new gun $$$.