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call the governor, and we can take it up with him FTF at the rally if he shows up

Kpd, not sure where the "hate" came from for mipa in your last post. You 2 have been pretty much saying the same thing through the thread. Hell i basically said the same thing, w/o as much flair but jumpin his shit is offbase IMO. Yourself, mipa, and me have brought up very good FACTS and we are all on the same page i would think? NFA is very misunderstood among civilian AND police gun owners it helps to have a NFA owner to explain the process.

I think there is a bit of ignorance on NFA laws here due to the fact we cannot own them in NJ (well we could but theyd never approve the permit). Heres a link to the ATF's NFA page, educate yourselves, you may be suprised what ya learn. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/ and heres the NFA book http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/nfa-handbook/ Now as to the mak and sten guns being unreliable and junk simply not true, the few i have fired ran fantastic. Throw some lage parts on a MAC and you get a gold starred FA. Now also to the accuracy of FA weapons and being "spraying and praying". With a few moments of proper instruction of how to hold and trigger minipulation, even the dumbest army recruit is proficient after maybe 3 hours to keep 20rounds on a silloutte at 25yds. (Been there done that have the form to prove it) Its all about education guys, the more we educate people INCLUDING ourselves, the more we can promote the safe legal ownership and use of ALL firearms. FA/SA, DD, SBR, SBS, suppressors. We all "remember" how horrible something from our past was or exactly what the "law" is or was. If we dont check the facts we are most often passing along falacies as fact, that does no good for anyone involved in anything. So take a minute guys read the handbook its actually quite interesting.

Jesus that is the most painful website ive been to only following DU's forum

fugg that piece of shit company

I droped some off at lous last night in raritain NJ, i will be dropping some off at millstone sport shop today and hopefully put some up in my local deli today also

And there it is gentleman, the bar has been set CONTACT EVRYONE and tell them NO MORE LAWS!

Keeping this at the top, I hope everyone is telling everyone they know, hope to see many many people there.

Its illegal as per the constitution, you think it will stop the agenda? This whole debacle is shapeing up to be either a serious tipping point or a wake up call for america. I believe the next 6months will tell the story.

they try to figure out how to do the same thing yet quieter...

There are some scary hillbilly motherfuckers up there around albany that already dont care... Everyone CALL the assembly # today! Put the pressure on them maybe just maybe we can help stop this today! heres the only # i could find Assembly Public Information Office at (518) 455-4218 Screw it hammer anything !

I think the magic #7 came about to limit just about EVERY semi auto hangun/rifle made, it really only leaves revolvers available. I do NOT see manufacturers stepping up to supply the NY state. I actually hope some manufacturers ignore and no longer service the state. Like ronnie barret did with CA. If this law passes i believe it will be deemed unconstitutoinal and a court will make an injunction till its sorted out. There has been TONS of support pouring in from other states to pressure the NY .gov in the means of $$$ and calls.letters, and emails. I even donated to there state 2nd association. What happens there will enevidtably NJ will try to follow suit so they can 1 up NY.

Nope, and if your mayor did sign it absoloutly contact them. Leave no stone unturned.

Wonder if hell lead by example and enforce the new laws on his security details...

nice

22.lr/mag/short 32s&w long 9mm 9x18mak 9mm largo 357 magnum 38spl 44-40 7.62 tok 44.mag/spl 45acp 45LC 30carbine (blackhawk) I know im missing some, also have a contender on wait in 17 remington I reload or have the stuff to for 80% of them ETA: i really want that Zip .22! Its soo different and wierd!

"we don't want to take away your guns any more than we want to give up the two guns we have locked in a safe at home" Except those people with more than 2 shotguns and a hunting rifle. She has been clear in the past with her intentions on hi cap mags DO NOT trust her.

Hmmm just reread my post let me clarify MY position NO laws abolish it all. No background checks no limits nothing constitutional carry etc. It WILL never happen i know that but thats my actual position. My post was in reference to what may actually be doable if both sides get past the BS agendas and we have a REAL disscusion to really do something.

The only "sensible" thing is to repeal ALL gun laws and start over. Since that will never happen, sensible doesent mean anything except feel good BS. Your sensible and mine are vastly different as are the libs idea of it. What i would deal with is full repeal of the NFA restrictions make suppressors cash and carry no poll tax, i think thats possible do due to noise concerns. All other NFA (sbr, sbs,FA,aow,DD)can continue with the $200 poll tax, but its paid/approved at the time of purchase and there is no BS "examiners" crap itll save tax dollars and create them at the same time. The tax monies are then put into a fund that funds firearm saftey programs in schools like DARE, NRA already has that in place the eddie eagle program. Whatever the ATFs budget was for the examiners and the NFA program is used to create a armed teacher program where teachers and admin can be trained to protect there school if needed. This program would be voluntary and include the equivelent traing as EMS would recieve. As far as magazine capacity and firearm ownership eliminate it all at the federal level.No BS at all No database no registration. The only thing that will stay from the current "injustices" would be the nics check, expanded to include a new system thats available on the internet, phone, fax etc. It should be streamlined so that non qualifiers are put in the system quicker and more efficently w/o excess BS. The new expanded NICS will be staffed by the prior ATF examiners. A flat fee of $15 dollars per NICS transaction will be one of the sole funding of NICS after a 3yr startup funding program. A new "tax" like the pittman robertson act will place a 1.5% tax on all safes, firearm containers that will be the second funding source for NICS. The NICS fee and the Safe tax cannot be raised, but are tax deductable. As far as the states are concerned they can be stricter than the feds if it is voted on by the public, to exclude registration, and purchase limits (screw you OGAM!!) The banning of firearms is strictly prohibited. Magazine capacity laws cannot be less than 20rounds except for state/federal game laws. States and the NFA, all NFA items can be restricted by the state EXCEPT for suppressors which are now considered a title 1 firearm. There will be no ammunition restrictions at the federal level, at the state level it may be restricted to what is commonly in use by the police and military. Firearms while commiting a crime. I believe what is on the books should be enforced. After 5 years of your release you can petition for your right to own firearms back. For 5 years after that anything more serious than a moving violation will get you back to where you started. Goodbye career criminals if you cant function in society and abide by the same laws your done. I have ideas i understand that MOST wont go for it but i do think the only "sensable" thing with regard to firearm laws is to have a REAL disscussion about what it actually accomplishes W/O the BS agendas getting in the way, on BOTH sides.

im sorry no that is foul, the hold would be all jacked up and the recoil may be quite brutal on the hand/wrist. Just my guess/opinion

That doesent seem right, through traffic with a lawful reason. I think it would be no difference than being in a car. Hell i LIVE in a school zone am i breaking the law when i put guns in my truck/house? It is a good question and i think a call to the police would help solve that.

Its 18" for a shotgun(most are 18.5"), 16" for a rifle Believe OAL is federal and state is 26"

Just remember --- A semi-automatic shotgun that has at least two of the following: (1) A folding or telescoping stock; (2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (3) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of six rounds; and/or (4) An ability to accept a detachable magazine; 3. A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a folding stock or a pistol grip; no PG on a siaga due to the detachable box mag, mag is your evil feature.

Perfectly legal as stated. This GH season ill be riding my bike to and from the farm i hunt at good 15mi RT. Going to be picking up an erbelstock r34 bag little pricey but meant for the intended purpose.

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