Old Glock guy

Are people here mostly using a belt or a chest rig? What are some of the reasons for your choice. Any particular one you would recommend? It would be mostly for training classes, and possibly for worst case scenarios.

And it includes a shooting range!

Nice account T BIll. I've flown with a firearm (handgun) a bunch of times now, and the procedure is always different. I never know exactly what to expect, so I try to get there a little early (always a challenge for my wife and me) and go with the flow.

I, too, saw a Beevis and Butthead moment in that heading.

Forgot to mention that it was fun watching Daryl ride around blowing up things with his newly acquired Taurus Judge. I feel so ignorant about these things sometimes, but what was he blowing up? And he sure is a good shot, one handed from a speeding motorcycle!

Exactly! Looked like they had a clean shot at close range on Neegan. Obviously, a kill shot at that point would make the rest of Season 8 moot, so we do get reminded often that this is drama, not a documentary. Still, I'm optimistic that this is going to be a great season. Interesting that TWD was a little over an hour, but TTD was two hours.

I saw that video, and thought it was really good. Did they say that in Great Britain, the model anti-gunners love to point to, the rape rate is three times what it is here?

Thanks so much AVB=AMG. I wrote it with the hope that others would find it helpful, and maybe even interesting.

Yes, on the front page of yesterday's Record. I would have to think that could only help Anthony's business.

Yes, I understand why they hate those other evil sounding things, but the background checks are always the first thing they go to, because it sounds so reasonable. Yet they are so insistent about it, often citing that statistic of unknown origin that 90% of people are in favor of it, that one has to think there is more to it. If they really think it's important, how about this: The government does a NICS check for sales at no cost to the gun owner, and after the check, there is no record of the transaction. And of course, one can lend guns to friends, family, etc., for hunting, shooting, whatever, as long as they are in the presence of the owner, same as we do now?

As we know, the anti-gun forces keep their talking points ready to go so they can trot them out as the opportunity arises. So why do they always go immediately to "Universal Background Checks"? Do they really believe that bad guys are getting their weapons through "The Gun Show Loophole"? Or do they fully realize that UBC's would lead to a National Registry (as advocated by Mike Kelly in yesterday's Bergen Record), which would be the first step toward the ultimate goal of complete confiscation?

My wife and I traveled to the Grand Tetons and Yellowstone last week.. It's always nice to get a taste of what's it's like to be in Free America, if only for a week and a half. We flew out of Newark to Salt Lake City on Delta. I had heard that Delta has made a practice of harassing travelers with firearms since the incident in Fort Lauderdale last year, where a guy retrieved his checked firearm, loaded up, and started shooting people. You can read more about it here: http://dryfiretrainingcards.com/blog/deltas-silly-new-rules-flying-guns/ I was pleasantly surprised that the baggage agent just had me fill out the declaration card, had me open my suitcase to ensure that my gun cased was locked and to place the card, and then just put my bag on the belt, and sent us on our way. Turns out he was slacking, because on the return trip the agent put my bag aside, and called over a TSA agent who proceeded to go through my entire suitcase with me watching. Upon our arrival back in Newark, I had to go to the baggage desk to claim my suitcase, which had a big sticker on it to say it needed special handling, and was locked shut with a thick zip-tie. I believe the most difficult part of staying on the right side of the law while carrying is not just knowing in which states one can carry. That's pretty easy to look up. It's some of the nuances that get trickier. For instance, one can carry in national parks if one is allowed to carry in the state the park is in. This can be challenging, as some parks span multiple states. Moreover, even if one can carry in a particular park, the firearm cannot be brought into government buildings, like visitor information centers, hotels, restaurants, and even gift shops. Outside the parks, another sticky situation is bars and restaurants. In some states, no weapons are allowed in establishments that serve alcohol. In others, they are not allowed in the section that is primarily a bar, but are OK in the area that primarily serves food. In some states, CCW in bars is OK, but one cannot consume any alcohol. In other places, alcohol consumption is OK, provided one is below the legal limit. I brought along my Springfield XD 9 mm subcompact, with two mags, a 25 round box of Hornady Critical Defense, and three holsters: an IWB for 4:00/kidney carry, an IWB for appendix carry, and an OWB. My go-to position is the first one I mentioned, because I find that it conceals well for me, but still allows easy access to my firearm. The problem I have found is that it gets uncomfortable when I'm driving for a long time, as I did on this trip. I tried the appendix carry, but found that also got uncomfortable, digging into my thigh when I was on the road for hours. So I settled on OWB at 3:00, which was comfortable driving. I don't think it was as well concealed as the others, but it seemed to work out OK with the heavy clothing we needed for the cold temperatures while we were out there. I made it a point to always keep an extra holster in the console of the car to stow my gun, as we were frequently going in and out of the government buildings mentioned above. In general, the whole thing worked out well. My wife has been more accepting of my concealed carry lifestyle on the road, which she viewed as somewhat quirky just a few years ago. I had no delusions that my 9 mm handgun would protect us against some of the wildlife out there, but it was better than nothing, and certainly provided protection against two-legged predators. While we were staying outside the park in the town of West Yellowstone, I discovered a gun range literally around the block from our hotel, which rented full auto weapons. Having always wanted to see what that was like, I couldn't pass up an opportunity like that. So on the last morning we were there, I strolled over and tried some out. Since this has already gotten pretty long (AVB range), I'll post the details of my full auto experience on another thread.

Well said, Vlad G.

Just got a note from Joe a few minutes ago to say that he has received a commitment from five people, so the class is back on. Hooray!

He's keeping it open until Monday night. Go for it!

I'm in! Who is going to join us?

Saw this posted elsewhere: There have been several gunfighting quotes about Wyatt Earp going around for the last few months. If you haven’t seen them, you need to: “When I say that I learned to take my time in a gunfight, I do not wish to be misunderstood, for the time to be taken was only that split fraction of a second that means the difference between deadly accuracy with a sixgun and a miss. It is hard to make this clear to a man who has never been in a gunfight. Perhaps I can best describe such time taking as going into action with the greatest speed of which a man’s muscles are capable, but mentally unflustered by an urge to hurry or the need for complicated nervous and muscular actions which trick-shooting involves. Mentally deliberate, but muscularly faster than thought, is what I mean.” -Wyatt Earp “No wise man ever took a handgun to a gun fight.” -Wyatt Earp “Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything. You need to take your time in a hurry in a gunfight.” -Wyatt Earp “The most important lesson I learned was that the winner of a gunplay usually was the one who took his time. The second was that, if I hoped to live on the frontier, I would shun flashy trick-shooting. Grandstand play. as I would poison. In all my life as a frontier peace officer, I did not know a really proficient gunfighter who had anything but contempt for the gunfanner or the man who literally shot from the hip.” -Wyatt Earp “From personal experience and numerous six-gun battles which I witnessed, I can only support the opinion advanced by the men who gave me my most valuable instruction in fast and accurate shooting, which was that the gun-fanner and hip-shooter stood small chance to live against a man who, as old Jack Gallagher always put it, took his time and pulled the trigger once.” -Wyatt Earp

See my reply on the Training 2017 thread. Really with you hoping this flies!

Just sent him a note to say that I will attend. Hope he has enough people, and that it's not too late.

Interesting article. I should have known that anti-2A people never acquiesce quietly. And they consider it a "loophole" that people can exercise their 2A right?

There's an article about it in today's (failing) New York Times. (I don't read it. A friend sent it to me.) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/world/europe/stanislav-petrov-nuclear-war-dead.html?_r=0 BTW, I wonder if the world was saved by a normalcy bias on his part?

They should just come over here and open up in Wayne. The new range here was recently approved with hardly a whimper from the opposition.

Uh, oh, the pressure is on! I'm going to try hard to arrange it.

Looks like it's a private club: http://newpaltzrodandgun.org/ I'm hoping to get there as well, if I'm able to get away for the day. Hope it hasn't filled yet.

I'm taking an MDTS class this Saturday, 9/16, Practical Shotgun Skills. It will be my first time training with Chris in several years, as he does not come to NJ anymore. This class will be in New Paltz, NY, which is only about an hour from me. We really can't take anything other than shotgun classes from him in NY anymore, due to all their restrictive firearms laws. I even inquired about borrowing or renting a handgun for a class, but it seems that's illegal. I've tried to get him to come to PA, but he has been unable to find a suitable facility that will let him train there. Anyone have any experience, recent or otherwise, with MDTS?