Underdog

I sympathize with dilbert1967 and what he said about his indoctrinated daughter. Imagine footing the outrageous bill for that brainwashing. Over the summer during the amnesty I was camping with my brother. He is a crazy liberal. I told him I was really angry about the magazine ban and that with the unjust laws I would be made a criminal for legally obtained and legally used property. He screamed, "I don't care!" Then in anger he was completely serious when he said, "Don't tell me, I will turn you in!" I could't believe it. Ever since then our relationship has been more strained. He couldn't control or get passed his emotional response. On another occasion I talked with my child's pediatrician. He asked if there were guns in the house. I told him of course there was and why didn't he have any? He said no and then proceeded to lecture me for 5 minutes on the dangers. I just sat quietly and then I asked him if he knew anything about them. I then asked if he wanted to go to the range with me and learn something. He nastily responded, "I didn't ask." I have not been back. I guess what really gets me is how brainwashed and unopen a majority of the people are. My brother hates the abuses, perceived and real, that he believes he experiences in our limited and capitalistic society. He derides the government and its abuses of power, but just as that lady I spoke with, he is completely OK with giving the government more power. The logical area of the brain is shrinking and the emotional uncontrollable area is becoming more prominent.

Yes, but so did many of the Democrats. They were just ignored and not called on their behaviors. It is a double standard enacted by those largely with a hidden agenda. These people are not specifically against Trump. They are against the Statist/Socialist agenda trajectory being changed. They are also against Trump because he is unpredictable and cannot be completely controlled by them. He is not nearly as compromised as most that are allowed to be put in power. All of the news is biased. It is all bought and paid for by the elite that have a subtle and/or not so subtle agenda. I used to watch Foxnews and it actually helped me see more mainstream concepts. As I learned to be more critical I realized that just as the the radical Leftist views portrayed on MSNBC, CNN, etc. there was a more subtle Statist message portrayed by much of Fox. It was a message that the "Republican" party was presenting. I began to see how important it was to control the dialogue and the language and how important not presenting the news was as in presenting it. True, there were some on Fox that promoted conservative values. And there was at least that since it didn't exist any place else except for in talk radio. Little else in mainstream media had even a marked closeness to any kind of unbias or fairness. But I watched as Fox began to lurch more Left. I watched as commentators like Rove and Graham and other talking heads and mouthpieces put a slight spin on and talked about points that leaned more to the Statist agenda. For example, middle-of-the-road O'reilly began to shift Left, especially after his interviews with Obama. I definitely saw a decline in ANY meaningful conservative commentary and ideas on "The No Spin Zone" as well as on other shows. Fair and Balanced was definitely becoming less fair and balanced. Another example would be the subtle ways in which Megyn Kelly started to change her "conservative" and common sense views. And, what was really funny (in an odd sort of way) was that even the conservative commentator were REALLY presenting middle-of-the-road perspectives, and yet because of the Leftist shift those views were being labeled as "Right Winger". And there was never any meaningful discussion about the principles of the Constitution and limited government and separation of powers, etc. That was when I really stopped watching. I would see my conservative parents watching and they would be applauding something Rove said or Lindsay Graham, or Shep Smith, or Trey Gouty said. They would essentially comment, "Wow, he's for us." I would try to explain that he couldn't be when he said this contraversial thing the day before. My parents and others would overlook "ALL THE FACTS". I would tell them that they were in fact being brain-washed just more subtly and less in-your-face than the more radical Leftist programming on other networks. I decided that it was NOT fair and balanced and little better than the others, especially after Murdock's children took over. Just as the Democrats and Republicans are like playing the role of Good Cop/Bad Cop, the news media was doing the same as it reported on what it wanted to and left stuff out and with the language it chose, etc. I realized there are just two sides to the same party, a party of control and power in Washington. I realized that We the People are NOT being represented, but rather duped and mocked. Those people in Washington really do deserve our disdain. Most of us want fair and balanced and honest debate. We want the news to be unbiased, but it is almost never presented that way. But there is a marked difference between news and commentating on news. News Commentators are perfectly "allowed" to put their own spin on things, as long as it is acknowledged by an educated audience that they are in fact commentating rather than reporting. In fairness to Fox, many of the Fox programs presented it this way, but on other networks it is NOT distinguished. I know many liberal-framed people that take the main-stream views as being Left and possibly by choice couldn't distinguish between news and commentating on news. Millions are duped because most of the media gets the talking points and those viewers are bombarded nonstop with only emotion and evidence that supports one side. Furthermore, there is a marked change in our society where there is little right of passage to becoming an adult and in which people are not responsible for their own actions, which I believe deteriorates principles. There is no place for principled views and behaviors when people are told over and over again that they, the people themselves, are not happy and that the rash actions of change, to that end that the means are justified with will bring them that utopian happiness they don't have. Why are superhero movies so popular? Besides being cool, there is no one really to look up to... it's all gray. And, I am not saying that the organized religions haven't caused lots of problems, but they have done some good. They have been replaced with liberalism and big government. People today see that gray and have no sense of higher purpose, so they are easily able to, especially with the emotional programming, accept the pseudo religions of Statism and Collectivism. An anti-gun individual once said to me that she didn't trust the government. I asked her why she would want the Government that she didn't trust to be the only group armed... There was no answer. It is like an emptiness that needs to be filled in some way... Humans are losing their ability to think critically and maybe it is for the best that they be told what to think and believe.... NOT!

Are there any Smith & Wesson M&P 9C fans out there? I really hope that Smith doesn't discontinue it and that a 2.0 version is on the horizon. It is always good to have choices. I imagine it will be discontinued, though. Let me know if you have one for sale. When it first came out the 9C had an awful trigger, however, the M&P triggers are much better now. They are smoother and have a much more pronounced audible reset. And an older one with an APEX trigger is quite nice, anyway. Some don't like the hinged trigger. I might prefer a better design, but it does not irritate my index finger like a Glock's trigger does. I am not knocking Glock, both are good, but the Smith is plastic perfection. The hinged trigger kind of grows on you, however there are other options out there. I wish X-grip or some other company would step up to the plate and make mag sleeves for the 2.0 Compact Mags to work in the 9C. That combo would make the perfect package. And there is a lot of versatility there as well. You can use the flush 9C mags if concealment is an issue and/or put a pinky plate on the mag. Next, you can use the 2.0 compact mags with or without a pinky thing, and lastly, you can use the full-size magazines to their fullest capacity where legal without statist law with the full-size sleeves.. But by far, the 2.0 compact mag in the 9C is just perfect. True, you can get an X-grip sleeve for a full size mag and cut it down to size, but it still doesn't gel perfectly. Cutting it from the bottom of the sleeve makes it look more like a factory grip, while cutting it from the top gives it a little flare at the bottom which some may like. I prefer cutting it from the bottom. And, if you want to conceal, the pistol the less rough texture of the grip over the 2.0 3.6" one might be a consideration depending on how you carry it as some complain about the rough texture on the new 2.0s (I like the grippiness, though). So, drumroll... Arguably the M&P 9C would be THE perfect double-stack concealed carry semi-auto with those 2.0 magazines installed and grip sleeves. In real America it would be loaded with 15 rounds and somewhere in size between a Glock 19 and a Glock 26 and with better ergonomics and stock metal sights. And, as a backup you could carry a fully loaded full-size magazine. I would have to look, but I think it has a longer sight radius than the G19 as well. And with the 2.0 magazines you don't have that awkward, clumsiness of the 9C with stock magazines. It is like a new gun! A close second (or tie) would be the new M&P 2.0 with the slightly longer 3.6" barrel. Before the Murphy shit, you could pickup a Hyve +3 magazine adapter and install it on the 12-round factory M&P 9C magazines and you would be at the sweet spot as well. However, I don't really like that showy aluminum and the Hyve advertisements and would have wanted one that blended in better. The only other negative in my mind is that you would have to see if the grips will drop freely for you. In my opinion, the M&P 9C is like a double stack Shield! Do you agree? Any of you fans, what sights and holsters do you like for the 9C or the 2.0s?

Can't he be wrapped up in a bow and sent to Venezuela or Cuba where he can be less of a malcontent.

Ammo will be targeted.

Ammo, not guns! Buy Ammo!

Are you currently able to receive magazines permanently modified to 10 rounds from a current FFL Dealer in or out of the state without breaking a law? It it legal to purchase the magazines and modify them yourself out of state? And, as a side note, I don't want to start a new thread, can you purchase a long gun still out of state as long as you purchase it from an FFL?

Well I guess there won't be any good guy with a gun. How can a people be so stupid? Well I can scratch that place off as a place I'd like to visit.

I think it would be cool to have a "Which One" Section in which we discuss two different firearms and people can weigh in. Here are some examples: Glock 19 gen 3 vs gen 4 Colt 1911 vs S&W 625 M&P 2.0 Compact vs Glock 19 Gen 5 M&P 9C vs M&P 2.0 Compact 3.6 Sig 226 vs Sig 229 M&P 22 Compact vs M&P 22 22/45 vs Mark II S&W Victory vs Buckmark 870 vs 500 SP101 vs GP100 Is anybody else interested? If so, what would you want to compare? Who wants to weigh in?

I thought I would share this short video because it is a pretty showing the slow motion of a handgun being fired. I would like to see a 357 revolver shot in slow motion as well.

is the 22/45 picky?

It is settled, I will just get both.

RTSP in Randolph. i didn't really believe it when I couldn't find anything on line. It was before the Camden arrest so that couldn't have been what was being discussed. Also, this is northern NJ and not southern NJ so why would it get this far north? I didn't post on Saturday because I was waiting to see if something would come out about it. I couldn't think of any reason why it would have been hush hush.

The fit and finish on the Glock GEN 5 is crappy. It is a half-baked piece of Schumer with no attention to detail and in my opinion it is not a quality gun. It was thrown together. Check out the beveling as an example. I would stay away. The ONLY likeable thing is no finger grips. I'd rather have a beat-up Gen 2. i guess all the competition has got them cutting corners.

I know it is in .38 and not .357, but this is just about the perfect all-around revolver... https://www.centerfiresystems.com/p-70596-sw-model-64-38-sp-revolver-with-3-barrel-ss-finish-law-enforcement-trade-in.aspx?keyword=hg0901 Nevermind, it just sold out.

That is too harsh, Ray. I would take a Smith & Wesson any day, but I really don't like the shape of either triggers. Hinge or tab... yuck. But they work. Price, ergonomics, metal sights, USA, metal mags, rails... Better than your other two as well (on price alone). Nothing surpasses the Smiths in terms of value... I don't like the grip safeties on the Springfields.

i overheard a couple of people in the parking lot of a local gun shop talking about 20 or more people being arrested at a range somewhere in Southern NJ on Saturday by State Police for having magazines exceeding 10 rounds. I tried to confirm this and find out more about it, but I cannot find any information about this anywhere with information or details. I would have thought it would have made headlines? All I could find was an arrest earlier today with Ghost Guns in Camden, but nothing about mags.

I didn't read the other responses and it was probably mentioned, but there is only one Hungarian choice.... Atilla (the Hun)

I was also considering finding a Savage Scout Rifle in 7.62x39. I would consider the Ruger if it had backsliDing Sights. I would also consider the CZ youth model. It seems that would make it a little more maneuverable/handy than the standard 527.

On a new build, if the hammer string is installed correctly and using a factory upper (that should have proper headspacing) what else would cause light primer strikes?

I wonder if a forward mounted scope could easily be put on one? This could kinda function as a Scout Rifle... It was nicely blued. it would be cool if there was a more durable finish for it instead of beating up the bluing and the nice wood stock. And it wouldn't kick as bad as an 03A3 Sporter and a lot cheaper to feed. I like the idea of the detachable mag, but apparently it cannot be fed while on the rifle. .

Thanks, I missed that thread! It was at a PA gun show today that was in Portland. I really want one now.

I don't know how I missed this thread. I like the Iron Sites on the CZ as opposed to the Ruger.

I almost bought a CZ 527 bolt gun. I think it was a CZ 527? It was a little bolt-action chambered in 7.62x39. I really liked the iron sights and the feel of this mid-range caliber bolt-gun. Has anybody had experience with one and did you like it?

Which one would you choose and why: Ruger LCRx in .22LR or Ruger 22/45 lite, or some kind of Buckmark Lite version?