exfed2002

In any case, I don't see sitting in plainclothes with shields and weapons displayed to be a tactically wise thing to do unless you were sitting with uniforms who have no choice but to openly display. I'd prefer to sit away from the door and be a poor looking old slob until they needed to find out......... I guess they don't teach that in the academy any more. Word was keep covered and sit far away from the register.

When working on some cases back in the early 70's, we happened to get into a filing cabinet with the applications for carry permits. Found one issued in a case just like this with the restriction that the applicant could carry an UNLOADED weapon when he was in transit in NJ, and had to load/unload on the NYS side.

No craziness. This is pretty much SOP for any place that lets you carry a personally owned weapon while being indemnified by them.

I'm quite aware of that, but mister charming said subway, not PATH, and since he seems to know everything I just assumed he knew the difference.

The Port doesn't work subways, and the ones who do, ex-transit now part of NYPD, have done a lot more to make the world a better place than you ever will.

I talked to FIU a couple of days ago. The mental health checks are backed up in Bergen and Essex. Not sure who does them. Division HQ does not give much info out to the local PD's anymore, and they can't do much without the OK from West Trenton.

It was never reintroduced in this session

As long as i was OTJ, the Port showed up for everybody, if only to make a memo book entry.

They started being required around 2007 or so.

The long gone Garfield target range was downstairs from Kulik's bar at Monroe Street and Palisade in Garfield. I guess the Jimmy's name came later. It was a real old time bar until they renovated it.

You're talking about a different breed. In my day, training was for the birds and seen as non-productive use of time. We did not buy that and took it upon ourselves to train and do better work.

My first .22! Bought at Meltzers in July, 1964! Brings back lots of memories of days of innocence.

If agencies gave the proper amount of initial and recurrent training for what an MOS NEEDS to know these days, nobody would ever be out in the field..........................

And with your great fund of knowledge you know this HOW?

The ones that I saw that were approved when I was working cases back in the early 70's involved NJ residents who had businesses in NYC and had NYC pistol licenses. AFAIR, the restriction placed on the permit was to carry UNLOADED until crossing the NYS line going east, and after crossing it on return. Things changed markedly in about 71 or 72 as a result of the arrest of a carrier who was carrying beyond the circumstances stated in his permit application, AFAIR.

It's buried in a sentence that says a dealer can't deliver a weapon until seven days have passed since the application for the P2P, probably part of the original Sills law. 40 years ago you could get caught up in that.

The old Navy Arms was the only one who knew about the 7 day waiting period, which is now moot......................................

Sorry to hear that, but please, this is not a first issue with which you have to deal. You and your family come first. After that, assuming your Mom is alive, she would inherit the weapons. You could go the COE and P2P route and take all the weapons now. Another option would be to take the long guns and leave the handguns in her possession and have her will them to you for later. As to intestacy, see this form the Bergen county Surrogate: http://www.co.bergen.nj.us/surrogate/Intestacy.html

I don't recall them having that much of that. Back in the early 70's I used to buy my reloading supplies at Centaur on 46 in Lodi. They've been out of business for a while, I think they were shut down. Charlie Callas and Buddy Hackett used to shoot there all the time.

Buying that first gun is always a mystical experience. I can remember how the place seemed to have acres and acres of guns when I was 7 or 8 years old. When I got old enough, they always seemed to have something I wanted and the prices were reasonable. It was an addicting feeling walking across the street to the little parking lot with that new package.

Meltzers has always been a great place. It was even more fun when the old man (I think Izzy) was around in the 50's and the 60's. I have many fond memories of being in there with my Dad looking at all the long guns and pistols. I got my first .22 Rifle and both of my shotguns there. I think the Mossberg 144LS was in the $40's, the Stevens 311 was about $69, and the Remington 1100 was $149.95. When I was old enough to start buying handguns I got all of them there. Once I got OTJ, I went to a couple of other dealers and did mail order for work related stuff. But I always get a warm feeling when I drive past Meltzers. "If you shop at Meltzers, you'll go nowhere else, Sir."

If your stuff is not current, it may take about 60 days. I normally do mine within 90 days after I renew my RPO carry and they get the paperwork from Trenton (renewal with SBI and MH check takes 2-3 weeks with the RPO unit) and that takes about 2 weeks with nothing else. It's not what it used to be a few years ago, and they are hostage to what Division HQ mandates.

Back in the late 80's when mail order ammo sales began to take off, lots of places wanted a signed statement and a copy of ID to seed the initial sale. I used to buy a lot of stuff from a place called Paragon in IL.

Unfortunately, that section did not survive the final version of the law, and the final section (e) is not quite so clear. The actual law cuts off at the permit to carry.

I was retired before this garbage went in. Still have lots of quarterly issue HP ammo left from the G. I keep small quantities of what I carry, and all the rest is reloading. I've never had problems with my retired carry card (don't carry my FID since I don't need it usually) but I just refer them to the law and it's always worked. I think most places just hear FID and that's what they see all the time, so they never bothered to read the law in its entirety. FWIR, when they did the summary of the new law, an LE ID was included in the briefing for acceptable documents, but that doesn't mean everyone paid attention. The section that covers it now is clear as mud. The old saw was that you didn't want to know how laws and sausages were made. Today if you tried to make sausages like laws are made you'd probably be in jail and sued out of existence.