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I was thinking about adding a short barrel for fun at the range. I know I can find them new from Mossberg for around $100 and change. Do you guys ever run into them used? For the number of mods people do to their HD shotguns it seems like there should be a whole market of cheap, used short barrels. Is that the case?

My factory rubber grips seem to be reinforced (which I think is why they're a little chunky). If the Hogues aren't than cutting down the connective finger grippy part might make them prone to that drop-free problem. Just a thought.

Factory rubber. They're pretty great, and mine seem to be very stable (some kind of hard insert I think). No malfunctions no matter how hard I try. Keep planning to get wood grips, but really the rubber are very comfortable.

I wonder if that wears on the slide stop at all. I know some people complain that the slide stop wears out too fast on these.

Have them double and triple check those mags if they're the 15 rounders. Lots of distributors still list cz-75b's as having 15 round mags. This is either because the originals were 15 or because they are imported as having a 16 round capacity and that is interpreted as 15+1, but is really 16 round mags.

Reminds me of the trailer for A Christmas Carol in the movie Scrooged.

Yes, I really only brought this up because, as Pizza Bob posted, there is this letter floating around suggesting "alternatives" to HPs. Why one might need or feel safer with non-HP bullets is up to the individual. Clearly people wanted to know. This ruling suggests expansion, and not hollow pointedness, is of greatest legal significance.

Of course, but he didn't get off with a slap on the wrist. He got a year in prison and likely lost a ton of cash in the process. Now his lawyer is trying to make it so that he's not a felon for the rest of his life in addition. I think it goes toward the whole "justice being fair an even" thing. I take your point though. In this case it seems as though the law is finding that some illegal events that did happen didn't in order to vacate some charges. It would be better if those charges were less severe for the actual crimes that were committed.

Vlad-- Generally first time offenders committing nonviolent crimes with no intent get a good deal of leniency both during the trial (ie allowing all possible exceptions "in light of the best circumstance for the defendant") and sentencing (judges can claim this kind of circumstance was unlikely to happen again, the offender is unlikely to repeat, etc). I think what makes people really uncomfortable is that the state offered a bunch of plea deals that included a year of jail time--that's a long time for a non-violent first time offense. Then it appears he had the book thrown at him for not taking a plea. Remember, something like 10% of all cases go to trial, usually more complex ones. To me (and maybe others) it kind of feels like the judges involved were annoyed this guy didn't take a plea and were trying to encourage others with weapons offenses to do so in the future by dropping the hammer. Compare this story to any of those in NYC when some unwitting tourist gets caught with their CC gun--not sure of the manhattan HP laws, but my guess is a CCW is loaded with them, right? Obviously we can reasonably expect people to know and obey the law. But in circumstances where there is clearly no ill intent, no evidence of potential recidivism, and a crime of somewhat of unique circumstance the outcome is a plea to probation and a fine. So why are people happy? Because it's scary to think that one could be arrested for a somewhat minor offense and spend so much time in jail--his sentence was technically within the law but not in keeping with common practice. So his lawyer is trying to use "technically" to get him back within the law.

Wombat--I know a lot of people on forums tell retired LEOs and others visiting the state to swap out EFMJs for their HPs. Also, I think more than a few are concerned about the potential tack-on charge of an HP in any home invasion situation, and therefore opt for the rounds listed in that NJ ballistics memo.

Well sure, Malsua, but my point was more than any round that says on the box "expanding" is going to qualify as a dumdum round and in the eyes of NJ equal to an HP. So whatever the ballistics unit may or may not have said, LEOs from other states carrying EFMJs better be careful.

So we all know the law as it pertains to HP bullets (or at least we know what the statutes say). There's also this post floating around various message boards (here and others) claiming that the New Jersey State Police Ballistics Unit has declared that certain expanding rounds (like EFMJs) are NOT considered hollow points. However, treating these rounds as FMJ seems dangerous since the NJ laws state both HPs and Dum Dum bullets. According to the text of the newest Aiken HP appeal the judge determined that "dum dum bullets" was not a vague phrase and that any normal person with a dictionary could determine it means any bullet meant to expand on impact. Sooooo does that mean that EFMJs and other filled-in HP rounds should be treated as any other HP?

Yes: Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)]. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ." N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1). Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows: 1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police; 2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State; 3.A person going directly to a target range, and; 4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions." Taken from NJSP website, which is a redux of the actual law, but a good breakdown. The problem raised here is that there is no exception for HPs transport in the process of a move.

Sent a PM, do let me know. I'm halfway to buying an Express, which I hear are much less smooth.

Still on the lookout. It seems finding a wingmaster with remchokes is difficult. So what about one with fixed modified or improved?

Yes, I'm pretty sure it was the WWB ammo--bought in bulk in the new packaging. Didn't know independence was reloads when I bought a box at Bullet Hole. Just something new I wanted to try.

Interested, though a lefty and it may be difficult. Anyone else with a wingmaster?

They don't get a lot of love here. And I get it. The name is apt--the rests in most of the ports do have bullet holes. Mostly .22 it seems. Who shoots a rest? How do you shoot a rest? And forget about a casual back and forth with the friendly local shop owner. Even during off peak hours it's far too busy. Yet... I had a few problems with my 9mm. So I bought some extra springs. They required some fitting, which I hadn't expected. I asked the friendly local shop owner at BH and he lent me a punch and hammer, straight from the smith. Gave me the proper ribbing for his time, but all in all it was much appreciated. Today I had additional, different failures. This was due to bad ammo (I've surmised thanks to njgunforum members). Per NRA insurance rules I asked the RO to clear my jammed gun. I could have done it myself, but the slide was really locked, and I play by the rules. Clearing a stovepipe is one thing, but this required a lot of pounding on a gun with a live round, and I wouldn't want the guy next to me doing that without supervision. The point is, the RO handled it. Maybe not the way I wanted (a little rough, and he told me the cause was lack of oil). But still, he was helpful. So there it is, +1 for bullet hole. I know a guy plaxicoed himself there recently, and safety fears abound. But I've found them helpful (even if they "don't have in stock" the gun I want, which I can see on the shelf right in front of me).

How does this look? It really does sound like the primers were going off but not the powder.

Good to know. Everything seems to be in working order, so I will assume (thanks Bob) that no harm was done. I have no idea if CZ has a mag disconnector, I just thought that's what a disconnector was. Just my ignorance. Called Wincester. While the nice woman on the phone said she did not know of any bad batches of ammo, she wants me to return the boxes to them for inspection. Hopefully they replace them!

Yes, I definitely think it was the WWB. Every round was fine with the Independence. Every mag (I load 5 rounds) had at least one misfire with WWB. I bought it at Bass Pro Shops, 100 round bulk boxes. I store ammo in old 50 round boxes so I can keep track of how many rounds I shoot. Kept in a cool, dry place for maybe 1.5 months. Ammo shouldn't go bad that quickly, right? I thought the disconnect was so the gun couldn't fire without a mag? But I do hope you're right and I can't fire a round when it is out of battery. I'd hate to think I might have damaged the firearm.

What should I check the barrel for? There's no obvious damage/change, but is there anything specific you would keep an eye out for? Any thoughts on the bullets that seemed to half-fire? Does it sound like a good round that wasn't seated correctly? Or more like a bad batch of ammo? Thanks guys, I really do appreciate all the help.

Thanks for the quick responses. My above post is an example of venting before actually checking the problem. This may not be a CZ related problem. I started by shooting a new brand, "Independence" 115 grain fmj. I had 0 problems with these. Then I switched to WWB (115 fmj). The weird half-fire happened with only the WWB. To anwer your questions Harry, yes, I did field strip it after getting it back, lubed it, and checked all their work (mostly out of curiosity). Here's the most recent news. Before doing anything I tried to cycle some snap caps to recreate the problem. It was exactly as before. I stripped the gun and checked the extractor. No issues, still clean from last time. Then I checked the chamber. It had what looked like large grains of sand jammed between the chamber and the rifled part of the barrel. I can only speculate that this is unburned power? (I've never reloaded so I don't know what it looks like). It was large, tan grains. Cleaned it out, reassembled the gun, and the snap caps cycle fine. So, was it the weird new ammo (never heard of independence, but was curious) that made the gun dirty thus not allowing the WWB to get into the chamber? Or is the bulk WWB I bought somehow damaged, and the powder wasn't fully burning off leaving residue in the chamber? And in either case, did I hurt my firearm by shooting rounds that may not have been fully in the chamber? Thanks guys, in a few mins I will edit my original post so as not to point fingers at CZ.

My brand new CZ-85b was having a failure to extract every 200 rounds or so. CZ-USA told me to send it back, and they replaced the extractor spring with an extra power, the recoil spring with a wolff 16#, polished the chamber, and "worked on" the extractor. So I get it to the range today and after 50 rounds I start getting what feel like misfires. The bullet goes downrange, but there's almost no recoil and the gun doesn't cycle. Also (and I know this might sound unbelievable) the holes in the paper and smaller from these rounds. After getting about 5 of these with greater frequency the slide suddenly won't rack. When it finally does I realize that the live rounds won't go into the chamber all the way--in other words, the slide is about 3 mm from being fully forward. I was probably firing rounds off like that and pressure was escaping from the sides?

Looking for a Remington 870 Wingmaster 12 ga with a VR 28" barrel that accepts multiple chokes (ie not fixed). I will mostly use this for trap, so I know 30" might be better, but I also want to try hitting a pheasant farm or two, plus a yearly deer hunt with the inlaws. If that sounds like a different setup to you I'm all ears. Would love something in good shape. Prices on Gunbroker seem to range from 300-400 depending on the specifics, and there are a few locally in the 300s, so that's my target. As for the exchange--you're probably going to hate this, but I want it to go through an FFL. I will pay, of course.