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I've heard several unknown officers saying the same thing.

look on the good side...you can save money on "clays"....

this is just my opinion, but no to the 2nd part about my career. i'd have to think about it. this may be the reason you see a lot of retired cops speaking out.

I agree, I do not believe there is an official position as long as I do NOT represent myself as an Officer. I WOULD go regardless since I'm not going to be promoted any time soon. Keep in mind though sometimes "I" feel uncomfortable not belonging and somtimes not welcome by either side.

If you invest a great deal of your adult life, time and blood in a career, you have to be careful when certain rules are brought up to the forefront. I should open up my work manual and read some of the rules that are still on the books just to remind myself. Police discretion is being eroded by fear from above, knowing you can be (and ARE) second guessed at any moment doing a job that is a thousand shades of gray.

True if you are trying to climb the ladder. Someone mentioned that most are conservative. That observation is very correct. We don't talk much about our politics away from each other. The "top cops" running the show are usually a very far cry from us bottom feeders, both politically and philosophically.

Sorry about mentioning salary. I was only trying to point out that a violation of policy, not law, could cost an officer a lot of money. A policy violation while away from work.

I agree, I'll keep you updated...... Don't hold your breath though, the police or courts would need a search warrant for a private person's cell phone records, but not if you are a police officer and you phone is kept in your pocket while you are working so your wife can call.

Last year I had to give my personal cell phone records to two Judges with absolutely no probable cause or even reasonable belief. The second Judge laid me out in open court after I blacked out some of my personal phone calls to my wife and family that were DAYS away from what I was told to give him (cell phone bill one long bill with the days listed one behind the other)

Maybe he forgot or maybe he just interpreted it differently; like he did during his car stop for speeding.

I'm heart broken reading the story. I need another 1000 rounds of .223......

I know a County that has ONE bearcat to share amongst 19 police departments. There is a need and this is not an excess. It works fine for all of the PD's, keeps the cops safe, saves the taxpayers money and is used when appropriate. Everyone should really read ANY newspaper with a discerning eye. Gun owners should know better than anyone how a story can be twisted against them when the paper has an agenda (usually liberal against the police AND gunowners) Divide and conquer.

That is exactly correct. When mixed with real players, simmunitions and targets you get a much heightened sense of what you are doing.

To be honest Joe I think it would be the catalyst for a discussion about guns (in the car) and the larger topic of guns in general. The pivotal point where the conversation begins (assuming everyone is in the legal) would be split in the road as to how both the Officer and the Driver perceive their respective interaction. It could be a surprising revelation that many police a big supporters of 2A and against further changes in the law. The police know better than anyone what is going on with gun violence and who is doing it and what any "new" laws would contribute to changing it. Nothing.

"Officer Friendly" wouldn't do anything as far the type of targets you have because he more than likely has seen the same ones during his training and understands their use as far as making use of force decisions during stressful conditions. Nothing would happen at all, unless maybe he is speaking with "Driver biased and unfriendly"

I see how none of these people pointing their weapons directly at you would pose any type of threat what so ever (sarcasm). Target, weapon identification. The next time you hear that noise at your back door and you investigate with your weapon and come face to face with a young teenage cutie pointing her automatic at you make certain you take the time to have a good heart to heart talk as you assume they are not a threat based on your preconceived idea of what a threat is. It will be a shame you wasted all of those range days and ammunition. Any of you who believe a young boy, pregnant woman, cutie teenager, cookie baking mom or woman walking with a child cannot hurt you are fooling yourself. Besides, there is NO CONTEXT to any of the pic's shown therefore NO CONCLUSIONS can be drawn, except anyone pointing a gun at you places you in a life threatening situation (your life). I don't like the idea, but understand why they may have something like this. I've only seen a few pictures like these during training. Nearly everyone uses "Q" targets, but very occasionally something like this MAY be used to help sharpen target/weapon identification and use of deadly force decision making situations. Anyone see the pictures of the Poindexter who killed all of those kids? He doesn't appear threatening at all, but add in the context of his weapons, mental history and if you are lucky enough to know some type of intent he suddenly becomes a VERY REAL threat. There is a reason everyone knows the saying "don't judge a book by it's cover". Ignoring this saying and mixing in guns is a bad combination.

thanks for the visual, bad enough knowing they are going to crush/melt the guns but Feinstein......

WOW...I bought a shotgun from them not too long ago without any problems....

I'm still going to believe in the idea that market forces are going to fix this issue. I'll be waiting AND watching carefully.

+1

How about all of the Russian type ammo that was coming in? Have the imports stopped or is their production still going?

I wonder how they knew they had BB guns? I'm always skeptical and knowing the gun issues in NY I would look closely to make certain it wasn't staged. I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS, only that it would be important to look into it because a staged event like that uncovered would do TREMENDOUS damage to the image of legal gun owners. People do things like this. I had a staged robbery and car jacking two days ago. I wonder what happened to the room mate who had the gun pointed at him when he walked downstairs? The second thug went upstairs looking for second guy, while the 1st thug was covering him with his gun and doing what? The 1st thug never said anything to him, hollering and pistol whipping him. People usually get jacked up in situations like that, especially gun toting thugs who aren't the smartest guys in the world? Lots of questions and I hope it pans out for real!

+1.....the short, but concise answer.

If she wanted the guns to be really safe she could just change the "safe" requirements to the same thickness as her head! Can anyone here lift a safe that heavy??

Sounds like a list hurriedly put together by her Law Clerk, instead of her actually doing her job and researching. You know the saying, "we can read it after we pass it".