RedBowTies88

I was told he was a prosecuter.... he was wearing a tie and collared shirt and dress shoes. They never function checked any of my guns... honestly I doubt threy even would know how... they couldn't even get the damn magazines out with my help. Also it is my understanding that the open fields bit doesn't apply to POSTED private wooded property. Im not a lawyer and i could be wrong but that was my understanding. Basically you're saying it's ok to just draw your weapon on a peaceful citizen becuase they COULD be armed? without any proof they they are so..and on their own private property that is posted as such?

My access is also the access for the electric company to service the power lines that border the property, Therefore I can't really do anything to restrict access.

Also I forgot to mention, while they were questioning my friend an I behind the truck they searched the truck without asking for any kind pf permission...Thet didn't rip out the contents of the consol/glovebox or any of that stuff but they checked under all the seats and stuff.

I'm going down to the PD today to give them a piece of my mind. Indeed, luckily they came up from a90* angle so they weren't downrange at any time. Its a small town... the PD itself is only 10 minutes from my range... I could easily see all of them being able to arrive within 15-20 minutes of the start of shooting. Even doing that much is unacceptiable IMHO....they have no reason to check for warrants or even look at you license or enter it in a computer. No i do not believe this wa sin any way planned...liek i said before its was most likely a knee jerk gross overeaction. one of the first officers to draw down on us was a younf girl (maybe 20-23 years old) she was SCARED TO DEATH she could barely breath and couldn't remember any of her 10 codes or the phonetic alphabet at all. This girl not 5 minutes earlier had her gun drawn on me with her finger on the trigger. Thanks, I do believe it was a response and not a setup but hey who knows for sure. I was under the same impression. we were unarmed and obviously friendly...there was no need to put our lives at risk the way they did. The swat guys arrived in a normal crown vic... they didn't bring out the armored troop carrier or anything like that so im not sure the bill would be any more then a normal police call..but hey who knows.

I'm going to persue a meeting with the chief of police today (after I pick up my new gun at the FFL next door to the PD) Depending on how that goes i'll weigh if i need to consult my lawyer or not. I've considered, trail camera's...mostly for the reason that people had been going onto my range and wrecking the place...breaking target holders and stealing steel targets. My property is boardered by power lines so activity is somewhat high with dirtbikers and quar riders...as well as hunters on ajacent propertys. I absolutely agree. NO excuse for what happened yesterday...and after having all night to think on it I realized I'm definitely going to give the chief a piece of my mind.. Mind legnth I believe? The very short ones...shorter then my friends 16" m&p15 sport. I'm not well adversed in the AR world. And after shooting his m&p and my ak in the same caliber side by side yerterday I know for sure that isn't going to change.

I offered it to them, but they were quick to inform they had pleanty of their own toys to play with on their own range

Honestly i believe they took the serials becuase they just didn't know what else to do and wanted to seem "offical" I will say something though to the chief when i see him next. But like i said...a small town and i don't want to ruffle any feathers... they decide to pass a "no discharge" ordinace and i'm screwed. Yep my private property, the prosecuter didn't say a word the whole time pretty much.. i assume becuase he knew they were in the wrong and didn't want me to become an issue for them. I don't believe they were power grabbing just more of a gross overreaction. If they would of hunted for things to ticket me for and/or checked all my guns and mags I would agree with you. Negative, but we were fireing silmutaniously at a pretty rapid pace. I honestly doubt it was a nehibor and was probably more of a passerby. its a populated area and its very much audible by dozens among dozens of houses as well as a major state route. The bigger guns can even be heard (faintly) from the walmart parking lot as ive been told. yep, and about 30 minutes I would love too..but sadly i fear if anything went wrong (AD/NG/someone shooting over the berm) I would be in hot water

no telling who called... its a very populated area and the sound travels quite far.

I know the chief personally as well as many of the offeicers on the forcer. THEY KNOW i shoot out there.. which is why this is so puzzling. Although ill admit the ones who arrived (mostly younger) were all officers ive never seen/dealt with before

Cape may county

I don't understand what you could say that would be taken wrong...unless you believe i was somehow at fault for following the law?

I'm not calling any lawyers... its a small town here. I don't want to make any enemys unless im left with no choice. Plus I don't like lawyers or people who want to sue for everything.

indeed... I'm honestly not as mad right now as i should be. I realize those guys have protocols to follow and after all they were very friendly... but thats really not an excuse for putting my life in such blatent danger and not respecting my rights..

I had a funny feeling about shooting today... with everything that was going on on. My friend literally JUST picked up an m&p15 and wanted to try it out...so we loaded up and off to my range. My range is on private property and is 40+ acres. I've been shooting there for years without incident...my juristiction has no laws against discharge. I've had the police to my range ONCE in all the years becuase they recieved a call. A single officer in a crown vic arrived checked my credientials and left me to my target practice. Today..didn't go the same. I'm parked at my range behind the bed of my truck where myself and a friend are loading magazines and i spot two officers approacing approx 75 yards away. I tell my friend and we put down everything we have and step away from the tailgate. The officers motion us to come towards them so we begin walking that way slowly.. I even yelled "hello" to them. They were just walking up in a casual manner. we get to about 30 yards from them (again us walking casually toward them, and them walking casually toward us) and then they draw down on us and yell "hands up" very shorty after 3 more officers round the corner (about 50 yards from us) and draw down as well as 2 officers in full swat gear sporting m4 carbines. They get to about 10 yards ands tell us to turn around. I informed them this was private property and was told "don't give me any private property" what he meant exactly is still unsure. with hands up and facing away from them they (with guns still on us) ran our pockets and threw my keys, phone, empty pocket holster, as well as a few other belongs on the ground. We stood that way for about 2 minutes until the prosecuter arrived. At wich point we were instructed to pick up our belongings and follow them over to the tailgate where the guns were. on the tailgate sat (all unloaded luckily) marlin 795 mosin nagant ruger 22/45 polish p64 saiga (converted) and my friends brand spanking new mp15 They asked us for id's and we supplied. at this point they realized the name on m LIC matched that's on the posted signs and their attitudes changed drastically.... from then on they were very nice. They asked us what we were doing and I replied target practice. They said they recieved a call of automatic fire and I assured them all our guns were legal and i told them they could fire them. They removed all the mags (man did they have a hard tim figuring out how to) wrote down all the serial numbers aqnd basically told us to have a nice day and left. The whole ordeal took maybe 30 minutes. They didn't fire any of our guns or check magazine capicity. (all were leagl of course) They basically blamed it all on the events in CT... guess thats an excuse to violate your rights. All in all the only thing im upset about was them taking down my serial numbers.... thats really none of their busines. but since they were being nice i didn't give them a hard time...but i also didn't give them permission. having many loaded guns pointed at you at once is not a fun thing... i really must say.

"backpressure" is actually a myth, its exhaust velocity that must be maintained.

I hope thats true, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm definitely going to buy some milsurp for carry duty but for the small price difference I would rather practice with new production stuff for around $16 a box

It literally makes me angry when people make that point... it is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard in my entire life. You like to be loud and obnoxious... ok I get it. Don't make up BS to try to cover your ass

They're wondering how you managed to forget your bandana and black leathers at home

He must mean sportsmans guide,... I thought he was talking about SG but i just checked and the shipping price although very reasonable...does in fact exist

thanks.... thats probably where I'll order from. Although I was hoping to find someone with 7.62 and 9x18 in stock but it sure doesn't look like hats going to happen. My kingdom for a 9mm barrel! (reasonably priced)

I can't seem to find any except for JG which is charging $20 for 70 rounds of milsurp! I would like to find some new production stuff but it seems like its either sold out everywhere or insanely overpriced... Also, anyone know what deals sportsmansguide is running? My email has been sending them to the junk box..

I barely play anymore... I just cleaned up and threw some fresh elixers on my SG for the fist time in a couple years last night. Plugged it in and played it for a minute... Soon as I heard my POS 15w amp I realized how much of a mistake it was to sell my marshall halfstack last year. The acoustic is a Ovation Cs257... man I love that thing! I also have a POS honer that I got for free that I keep in the truck for campfire duty.

You've been around too many harely riders my friend. People who need to show off and act like they are some kind of badass to make up for their shortcomings. They give all of us a bad name,... go to a honda riders event like americade and you will be AMAZED at the difference. People who ride for the enjoyement of it and go out for 300 miles at a time and throug the mountains instead of just bar to bar in search of the next set of saggy ass tits.

man that sucks such a cool dude. what killed him? It seemed like he was reletively healthy not too long ago

Driving: 160 in my vette and 135 in my truck. The truck would go much faster but at 135 she's out of gear and already a few hundred rpm past redline. I've been 182 gps verified in an evoX...