High Exposure

A .45-70 all gussied up.

Well, I have this: Working on getting this: And I want one of these: I don't think a ban will pass though.

I think the point was to moodily them so they won't fit in an AR. That way capacity is not limited as it is being used to feed a manual action firearm and won't function in a semi.

Of Quartz they are.

I though he was gneiss.

Until I get more info, I am inclined to agree.

Good luck is when you do everything wrong and it all works out. Bad luck is when you do everything right and it goes to shit. This incident doesn't fall into either one of those categories. Coincidence? No. Not that either. You can call it whatever you want to make you feel better, but in the end this was gross carelessness that ended in horrifying but accidental tragedy. Like most accidents though, this was a 100% preventable incident. This wasn't an immediate startle response, a twitch, a flinch, or involuntary hand convulsion in response to unexpected stimuli at the time he pressed the trigger. He wasn't aiming at his target when this happened (unless his target was his kid or the roof of the range) so his finger should have been off the trigger. Any startle event should have merely caused a harmless squeeze of his hand and a press/curl of the trigger finger against the frame of the gun with no loud noise following. I'm not bragging about this not happening to me - it's nothing to brag about. This is the very first responsibility we accept when we pick up a firearm - to be safe. If I thought for a second that this would happen to me, I wouldn't go shooting. I wouldn't bring anyone else shooting. I definitely wouldn't bring my son to the range. I have confidence that when I go to the range, shoot in a comp, participate in training, or teach a class that I will act in a safe manner and not shoot someone. If you can't say that you will go to the range today and not shoot someone, please stay home. It has nothing to do with my - or anyone else here who has said that a similar incident happens to them without the ND - "superiority". It IS about practicing the most basic tenets of firearms safety. Nothing advanced, elite, high-speed, or superior here: Basic Firearms Safety Rules 1) Be aware of the condition of your firearm at all times 2) Do not point your firearm at anything you are not willing to shoot or destroy 3) Keep your boogerhook off the bangswitch until you are ready and justified to shoot 3) Be aware of your target, your safe backstop, your foreground (space between you and your target) and anything that may impact or change them This guy broke all four rules, where if he followed even one of them this would not have happened. A startle reflex/postural disturbance/sympathetic reflex is instantaneous. If this dad treated his gun as if it was loaded (Rule 1) was pointing it down range at his target (Rule 4 - pointed it in any safe direction at all) was aimed in on a shootable target (Rule 2) with his finger on the trigger (Rule 3) when this happened, than any reaction/flinch/startle response would have been immediate and the round should have sailed safely downrange, into the berm, into the ground, etc... Now, since you brought it up, if you are holding a loaded gun (Rule 1) and your finger happens to be on the trigger (Rule 3) you should be aimed in at your target (Rule 2) with a safe backstop (Rule 4). If something distracting happens, you take your finger off the trigger (Rule 3) before you react to it and take your gun off target (Rule 2) and away from your downrange backstop (Rule 4) treating your firearm the entire time as if it is loaded (Rule 1). Even better, you take your damn finger off the trigger (Rule 3), holster or place the gun down on a table, - or if you don't have a holster or table, and it is safe to do so, place it on the ground (Rule 1) then solve your issue. If your finger is on the trigger (Rule 3) and you are pressing it at the time of the "surprise" - again you should already be aimed in on your target (Rule 2) with a safe backstop (Rule 4) or your finger should not be on the trigger - you simply stay on target and finish your shot (Rule 1). You may miss but you should still be in the general downrange/berm/safe direction (Rule 4). Then it is finger straight, gun down, solve your problem, etc.... Being a responsible adult with proper mindset has everything to do with incidents like this. Guys here have had this happen. They have all told you about it. Yet, no one has been a safety violator over it. They all say the same thing - safely secure the gun then get the hot brass off. I know instructors who have kicked people out of classes for not handling this exact situation correctly. No appeal, no argument, no talking it over - bye bye, you are a safety concern. Same at any match - DQ for a safety violation. So, once more for the cheap seats: YOU DONT WAVE A GUN AROUND THE RANGE BECAUSE A PEICE OF BRASS IS BURNING YOU! IT'S DANGEROUS AND SOMEONE MAY GET HURT. If you want me to say: Well..... One in a million it's going to hit you just right and in that single instance it's ok to wave a gun around and shoot your kid - news flash - it ain't gonna happen. Wow, you have a lot of demands on my time before you respect my posts You are also very generous with my experience. I paid good money and a lot of time to learn what I know about firearms, training, and use of force. I should just give my time away for free because you say so? Hmmmm..... Anyway, not that I care what that you respect anything about me - but I have offered, to a great many here, to do just that - a day at the range for training and I'll show what I know - gratis. All they have to do is secure a range and their own ammo. I have offered it more than once and I have even had a few take me up on it.

The original FSC556 could take the old Gemtech HALO as the twist mount.

That enclosed circle of a front end looks an awful lot like an A2/Birdcage flash hider on the end of a comp. Have you tried writing the company and seeing what they say? Does the ATF letter cover the Mod 2?

That's a good question, and one I have been wondering myself. I really like the FSC556 brake and having that ATF letter was a bonus living in NJ. I'd like to get my hands on one and take a look up close and personal before making a decision on if it is good to go in NJ or not. My gut is telling me it's a no-go here with Flash Suppressor in the name and no letter..... Luckily I just scored an original FSC556 for a great price and can stash it for a rainy day.

As most of you know, I am a big fan of "buy once cry once" and that best value is more important than lowest price. The cold-linked article below has some info and insight regarding that belief and re-affirms, at least for me, that it is correct. Basically, if you want to know why you pay more for the Eagle PC than you do for the Condor or Voodoo PC that looks the same, Darin Talbot of EGL posted this explaination/comparison on Primary & Secondary: https://primaryandsecondary(dot)com/what-is-quality/ Remove the (dot) and replace with . I didn't copy and paste as the article is very photo heavy.

Looks like a Daniel Defense rail.

Stop. Seriously. Luck has nothing to do with it. Luck is not a course of action. Luck is not a tactic. Luck is not a firearm safety rule. Luck is completely out of anyone's control. If you rely on luck, or the "Good Lord", to keep you safe at the range you should probably rethink that - and I know I won't be going to the range with you. If your finger is off the trigger, an involuntary flinch, a startle reaction, postural disturbance, sympathetic movement, etc... won't result in you shooting your son. That's not luck. That's a learned skill - the first skill we all learned before touching a gun - keep your booger hook off the bang switch until you are ready and justified to shoot. Don't be a fool. Of course I don't have people dump hot brass on me or stick me with a pin while training. What I do is treat training like an adult, understand that I may get hit with hot brass, and know that if I do I can't act like a 6 year old a wave my gun around while trying to get it off of me because it burns. If this guy couldn't take brass, what would he do if he got shot? I'll say it again - PROPER MINDSET when handling firearms is key. Whether shooting for training, fun, education, relaxation, or in the real world you have to have your head screwed on correctly before picking up a gun. There is nothing superhuman about it behaving like a grown adult at the range and being safe. Sounds like everyone that has posted in this thread has had a similar incident where they were burned by hot brass. None of them had an ND, none of them shot a family member. This is a clue.

Yes, I know it was an accident. I am sure he didn't mean to shoot his son. However, most accidents are preventable - this one included. It has nothing to do with CQB training. It is a mindset issue. You don't wave a gun around. I don't care what else is going on, you don't do it. Put the gun down or holster it - you don't flail around with a gun in your hand because something hurts a bit. His particular sensitivity to heat? Give me a break. It was a price of brass - we have all had it happen. It isn't that hot and it cools quickly. I have seen teenage girls in carbine classes react safely and appropriately to this. Reflexes are not beyond our control. We control our reflexes every day. If you believe people should own guns and shoot them, then people have to accept a great amount of responsibility. One of those responsibilities is adhering to the tenets of basic firearms safety no matter what else is happening around you. You don't wave a gun around at a range because a price of brass is burning you. This is tragic and my heart breaks for this family but, this father's primary responsibility that day at the range was to bring himself and his son home safely after a day of shooting. He failed.

This infuriates me. What was done wrong here? This is a software problem - a complete fail in this father's mindset. Hot brass down your shirt does not mean you can jump around like a fool and point your gun at people. The minor pain of being burned by hot brass does not mean you can temporarily set aside basic firearms safety rules. I have had hot brass down my shirt many times. I have seen team mates with hot brass down their shirts plenty of times. When you train for CQB it happens often - 4 guys shooting within feet of each other (sometimes inches), yeah you get hit with hot brass. Rolls down your neck, under your armor, and sits there cooking. So what? It's hot. Big deal. What I have not seen is any of my teammates (myself included) not finish their string of fire appropriately, safe their weapon, wait for the end of the drill, then calmly and safely, remove the brass. You don't start flailing at brass with a gun in your hands. That is total clownshoes. This guys says he keeps guns in the house for home protection and he couldn't take some brass down the neck. What would he do if he was shot defending his home?

Yup, I've seen it - It's a pretty slick piece of kit and all reports I have heard on it were favorable. I personally don't see a need for it for what we do at work, we rarely need to conceal our rifles. The police lights, loud speakers, Bearcat, uniforms, helmets, and armor tend to make us stand out way before our rifles but others with a different mission have stated these suit their needs pretty well, especially guys that work in and around unmarked cars a lot. Not sure on NJ legal though. If I remember correctly, it will fire 1 round while folded.

This. I have had no issues clearing small homes/trailer homes with a 16" rifle from the SWAT side, I can't imagine defense would be any harder. You just need to choose your Ammo appropriately and learn the proper techniques for moving is small spaces with a riflegun.

Excellent! Thanks for posting this. I forgot all about it.

That's fine as long as you realize you are wasting the lion's share of your limited resources (soap, fresh water, antibiotics, bandages, sutures, painkillers, food, etc...) on a single event that is most likely a lost cause. The supplies you use attempting to save one person from a gunshot wound could be used to treat a dozen other minor injuries that are more survivable/recoverable. If you have access to a critical care facility with personnel capable of treating and rehabilitating the patient and are merely stabilizing a serious injury in the field in order to get them to a higher lever of care, that's one thing. But, honestly ask yourself, other than temporarily stopping the bleeding, what are you going to be able to do to treat a gunshot wound? Would those supplies be better put to use down the road treating a laceration, a broken bone, an illness? Your futile attempt at saving a life may condemn someone to death from an otherwise treatable condition. You are prepping for real life, not a movie.

Buy PMag limiters and epoxy from here: http://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/ Go to gunshow in PA and buy PMags. Install limiter and epoxy floorplate on in the parking lot of the show and go to lunch, letting the epoxy set. Then drive back to NJ with permanently blocked PMags that cost you $14 a piece ($10 per mag and $4 for limiter and epoxy) instead of $25-$30 each.

Magpul PMags are pretty much the standard for reliability. Why don't you like them? I had some Lancer mags, I've had nothing but issues with them. Ended up giving them "Hammer Therapy".

In many states that allow CCW, the license/permit/etc... only applies to pistols. If you have an AR pistol, you can CCW it, including in your vehicle - even in states that prohibit the carrying of loaded long guns in cars. In those states though , their AR pistols can look like this: A pretty capable little "CCW" piece for when you are driving. In NJ I don't see the allure of the neutered version we are stuck with.

I didn't start the topic or put it there - Just letting you know that it is already being discussed so you can see what others are saying about it. That particular forum is not hidden from any signed-in members. It's only hidden from search engines like Google, Yahoo, or Bing. You can "follow" a forum, and you will get an email for all new topics created there.

Already being discussed: http://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/82304-nightclub-attack-ccw-holder-different-outcome/#entry1050795

A lot of companies purposefully oversize their gas ports to ensure reliable function with crappy ammo. This is especially true with boutique and hobby barrels.