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Maybe if they would have hit these 20 targets when they learned about them, these attacks would never have happened. Maybe the recruiting center that was hit today would have had the attackers from Friday. Maybe the command center would have been housing the ISIS leaders that initiated/authored these attacks.

7th post in this thread. 1 hour and 1 minute after you posted your initial question:

While most will clap and say "Yea, France", I look at this as a total failure. So, am I to believe that 20 targets just appeared for the French to bomb in the last 24 hours? Or....is the truth that we had the intel on at least 20 targets that haven't been bombed before? Why? What this all tells me is a complete lack of will. If someone wanted to send a message, emptying 20 B52's would have been a message rather than twenty surgical strikes with ten aircraft on targets that should have been destroyed a long time ago.

Forget databases. What if the guns get stolen from the gunsmith and there is an investigation? What if your buddy gets involved in an shooting/ND and the gun is investigated? You are not the only one in control of that firearm. Why would your risk your freedom or the potential loss of your 2A rights for something so silly.

I was thinking the same thing. Luckily for my bank account, I am not in the market for a new RDS right now. I am also very intrigued by the SRS, but that thing is ridiculously priced.

Yeahs but they aren't going to be run through to see if you are lying about ownership.

I am not a gunsmith or FFL, but I don't believe they run serial numbers before accepting work. If some thing seems off, they may contact authorities or refuse service.

The short answer that will keep you out of trouble: NO You can not transport another individual's handgun in your car to a gunsmith - or anywhere for that matter - without them present. Just like you can't take your buddy's guns to te range without them present. Most likely no one will ever find out what you are doing, but it is a violation of the law as written that can get both of you in hot water. Just ask your buddy to take the ride with you, or overnight it via UPS/FedEx.

Again, Mipa, cherypicking for your response. NJ Pilot nailed it, and pjd832 Picked up part of what I was saying. Nowhere did I say to cower in fear waiting to die or to not fight back. Nowhere did I say it would be better to be unarmed than armed if caught in a situation like this. What I said was to have a realistic expectation of what you can and can't do with your CCW and the corresponding choices in equipment you make when you decide to carry. I said your response must be tempered against your responsibilities to family/companions and the totality of the circumstances when the event kicks off - Are you in the middle of it or near the edges? Are you alone or with family/friends? Are you near an exit? Have you been seen? Have you been able to ID more than one attacker? Are your skils and equipment up to the task? I said you need to know what you can and can not do with your chosen CCW platform. Know your limitations. I said to keep in mind the disparity of capabilities between your CCW gun vs a rifle in the hands of a terrorists and the effective range of hand grenades and IED/Suicide Vests when confronting them with a pistol. I said that the mere possibility of the presence of an armed individual will not prevent a planned terrorist attack carried out by true believers who are prepared to die in order to carry out their goals. They have no escape plan beyond moving to the next densely populated site and creating more chaos. CCW being permitted in NJ will not magically strike the Garden State from the list of targets on a cave wall in Syria. There is a huge difference between one guy on a train with an AK and 2-3 in a crowded theater with AKs and grenades. Hell, in this series of attacks, by all reports, the guy who seemed to have had the most impact in saving lives was the unarmed security screener at the entrance to the stadium that wouldn't let the guy with the suicide vest into the soccer game. He ended up detonating in the street and only killed 1 person. That caused the other SBIED to detonate in the street as well with minimal casualties.

In light of the Paris attacks in Friday, I just re-read "Day of Wrath" by William R. Forstchen. Speculative fiction of nationwide Mumbai/Paris style attacks in the U.S. by ISIS/ISIL. Some of the weapons handling leave a bit to be desired, but it is plausible. Don't read it before bed and take your blood pressure meds before reading it. It follows the current news to a logical and believable conclusion that we all are concerned about. ETA: 13 Hours was good.

Here ya go: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/71294-new-anderson-ar-forged-lowers-5500-not-blems/#entry900284

Steve at Monmouth Arms has Anderson Lowers out the door for < $100 if I remember right. He's a good dude and a NJGF Sponsor.

Reports are that Police raids are underway in Brussels, Belgium, in relation to the Paris attacks. A Syrian passport was found on one of the terrorists. Investigation tracked the perp's entry into the EU through Greece as a refugee. Video and Photos of the rear of the concert theater: **Graphic** http://www.le-lorrain.fr/blog/2015/11/14/video-fusillade-au-bataclan-un-temoin-blesse-filme-lhorreur/

Why wouldn't they? If it's a bluff and they don't attack, we will still waste millions of dollars in security upgrades and thousands of man-hours of work because you can't ignore that kind of threat. And in the end, we will get just a bit more smug and complacent when no attack comes because we will think we deterred them, since we're human and that's how we rationalize. If they do, it's still an attack and everything changes. Either way, they win by changing our lives, chipping away at our liberties, and put us all on the defensive.

France is not a "gun free zone". With no borders within the EU it makes it quite easy to transport weapons and explosives from say Belgium into France for example - think of it like buying an AR in Texas and driving to NYC. Last week Bavarian police arrested a man from Montenegro during a routine traffic stop on the autobahn when they found a handgun while checking the glove compartment. They also found 8 AK 47, TNT and grenades all well hidden in the car. The man has no previous criminal records, he remained silent and did not want a lawyer. This was thought as a case of gun trafficking until now, but the weekly magazine FOCUS learned from security circles that in his car navigation system, Paris was his final destination. Article is in Kraut: http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/plante-er-einen-anschlag-kalaschnikow-granaten-und-sprengstoff-im-auto-polizei-nimmt-mann-fest_id_5087357.html 20/20 hindsight... Besides, I seem to remember a large theft of explosives and equipment from a Military base in France not too long ago. ETA: here it is, June of 2015:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11723764/Forty-grenades-180-detonators-and-plastic-explosives-stolen-from-French-military-base.html

Precisely. I would fight back with a gun or a dull spoon if that's all I had, but I have no illusions of my efficacy with either, or the impact I would have if caught in the middle of a situation like that.

That wasn't directed at you. A few people in this thread stated similar sentiment. But, for the sake of argument, let's say 1/3 of the people were armed with handguns. Let's even say that they all have decent guns with average capacity chambered in a reputable defensive round. Guns designed with combat in mind - no Taurus Judges, no Ruger LCP, no .25ACP Ravens, no J Frames. Let's go one step further and pretend everyone had at least one reload for their CCW and everyone was actually trained to use a firearm effectively. How do you CCW your way out of a suicide attack initiated by the detonation of multiple suicide bombs where the bombers are supported with rifles and grenades, while in a large crowd, trapped in a theater, or stadium. After all, how close do you want to be to a suicide bomber and stay outside the lethal blast area? 25 yards, 50 yards, 100? Now are you good enough with your CCW handgun to get hits from that far away? I am trained to respond to these events - alone or in a team. I have trained many others to do the same and I have studied these incidents and their response my entire professional career. I am not saying that if I was there and carrying I wouldn't have fought to keep me and mine alive and get them out - I would have. I am not saying that if I was there I would rather have been unarmed than carrying a concealed pistol, that's silliness. I am just being a realist and stating that I know that my CCW pistol and I are not going to save the day and the fact that there is, or is not, CCW will play very little to no role in the overall outcome of the event besides the news naming someone a Hero and maybe getting a memorial bridge named after them. If you survive it's probably because you weren't caught in the initial blast or ambush and were near an exit when it kicked off. It's improbable that you fought your way out - even the 1/3 of you that are armed. In the end, it is the responding forces that are properly equipped and trained as a team that will end these large scale, multiple attacker, combined arms events that cover great geographical and densely populated areas. Not the guy with a CCW out at the theater/stadium/bar/store with his family. Agreed 100%, especially the parts I bolded.

If you think your CCW will prevent a coordinated attack featuring automatic firearms, hand grenades, and suicide vests, you need to think again. If you are lucky may have a second to react to it, you may even lower the death toll slightly, but you won't prevent it. You pull your piece and start blasting, you just called in a whole lot of attention on yourself. Say there are 6 CCW carriers around, when that other guy skins his blaster in the middle of this scene, what are you going to do? How do you know he is a good guy? How do you k ow he is a bad guy? What do you do? If you are lucky, the gun will get you and yours out of the immediate attack long enough to develop a hasty retreat plan and beat feet. Hell, we argue here because when guys do carry its a 6 shot .380 in their pocket because it's more confortable What are you going to do with that?

I am saying this. I say it to every French citizen that needs to fight today. To every soldier, every cop, every citizen.

France 2 TV is reporting that a new attack took place. Dude on a scooter opened fire with an AK on people outside a bar. RAID unit is on-scene. Looks like this isn't over yet.

Être prêt! Sans peur et sans reproche! Bon chance!

Very nice brother!

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