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Jeez, didn't mean to start a fire here. A lot of passion about optics. I think we can all agree that you have to go with what works for you. I'm glad to see that the consensus is that the VCOG is over priced. I suppose I'll wait for a price drop, or more competitive option. In the mean time I think I'll pick up a PRO. I'll use it, get familiar, and see where I want to go. If I decide to upgrade, I can always sell it here. Thanks for all the opinions. High Exposure, I feel like I relate a bit more to some of your philosophies. Eric., I'm a not of a ounces become pounds type, and I feel a SHTF gun needs to be as light as possible. When in a fixed area, maybe not so important, but when out scouting/ moving/ patrolling, I want my rifle to be light and as small as possible. Hence why in my original post I stated no doctor. I like your setup a lot, just not for my purpose. Again, thanks for helping me.

Lol, it's on the table.

Vlad G and Displaced Texan, awesome write-ups. I suppose that the VCOG is over priced. I need to shoot an ACOG a little bit more. I only had brief interaction with one, and a lot of time on an Aimpoint CompM2. I suppose in an urban environment, the magnification seemed like it would be useful for scouting more than actual firing. No, I didn't edit the post. Computer screens can play tricks. I suppose stocking batteries would be the cheaper solution. Plus I could buy WAY more ammo with that money. lol

Any reason you don't like my choices? What else would you suggest? I thought these pretty much covered all bases. I have a CompM4s on the list because it takes a AA battery. That is (in my opinion) the next best thing to no battery. The ACOG seems popular. How bad is it having the magnification when shooting at say 50 yards? 25?

Alright NJGF, imagine the following: A complete SHTF/ Zombie scenario is underway, you can only have an AR, chambered in 5.56/.223. What glass do you want sitting on top of it? Aimpoint CompM4s, Trijicon ACOG TA31F (no doctor!), or a Trijicon VCOG (please stick to these optics)? I live in Hudson county, so many engagements would be 50 yards and closer, therefore I figure the CompM4s would be ideal. I am considering all 3 of these optics for my first purchase, so please stick to them and define your reason why you think it is ideal FOR OUR AREA. I realize NJ can get quite rural, so that's why I'm asking. I don't really need an optic (irons work well for plinking), so a "SHTF" situation is my only real justification. All input is appreciated, but please have a reason.

FFP is way more attractive. Anyone see a Trijicon sale coming up?

Wow, that's really cheap. Why can't the VCOG be about $1200. I like the ability to go from 1x to magnified, but the price of this vortex makes me a little nervous.

+1 However, I believe I only drive about 7 miles...

I have ShopSafe. I can create a new credit card number for online use that has a set limit. It is a feature with my online banking. I could make a card with a $1 limit. I was never a member, but maybe one of you would be able to use that feature.

I feel like they just advertised a site they don't approve of... I never heard of it until now.

I know a few people who had lasik done. Mostly good experiences, I would say go for it.

Where exactly is this surplus city, and what else do they carry?

Technically speaking, all of you Garand owner only have one MAGAZINE per rifle. Just sayin'. I try to have 5 per gun.

There was a rusty one on gunbroker for $450. Lol

I don't know why I want one...

Hmm, could someone legally pay you now for your guns when you die? There should be an online exchange for older shooters. Lol

I was thinking that, but I have allocated roughly 750 - 800 for an optic, so I may consider a compM4... then again, I can buy more ammo if I go with a PRO. I have heard too many things about eotech optics crapping out while firing (read blinking) and having issues with batteries corroding. Plus I have heard that the 65 MOA circle can be a bit fuzzy. No hands on experience though. The other factor I don't like is that it is so much wider than the AR. That all being said, word is that the circle dot makes for some really fast target acquisition. We need a place that demo's optics!!!

ACOG sale denied! Got an e-mail back instantly about needing a card that they handed out at some shows. Oh well, I need to do some serious pondering. My AR is just a plinker. I want an optic just for kicks, so yeah... I suppose I would want it to be more of a patrol rifle. Shoot a bit further out.

Ugh, Aimpoint or ACOG? That 40% off is tempting... This is a hard decision because I don't NEED either. Probably shouldn't be buying them either... Lol

Surprised no one beat me to it:

Lol, the deal is the third thread down in the recent topics box right now. It is a good deal though.

If it's for looks, than anything goes. I suppose the 15 looks cooler. Sort off like those SBR rifles where just the brake sticks out. I personally like a standard mid length rail. Just enough to cover the tube.

That's a lotta rail. Are you doing it for looks or utility? If it's utility, I'd consider the weight/ heft you're adding. Plus, do you really need it?

Well I will try the punch and hammer on my Glock, if I fail at the task, I'll go for one of the recommended pushers. DargZ, thanks for the videos. It seems pretty straight forward, I think I consider it to be a more delicate task than it really is.

This may be the one. Any experience with it?